I know I am the only one (?) amateur musician whose musical creativity, musicality, etc... usually starts with the click on Presonus One Pro.
That’ my stigma.
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That’ my stigma.
Jeff Berlin is using his “emotional” anti metronome rhetorics to promote his learning materials, his expensive school.
It’s a well-known marketing tool, and I have no problems with it.
What are you promoting?
If you are trying to inform us (brag about) how Talented you are, along with some other nice TB members,
Then, I have a word for you...
Are you seriously in need to get our confirmation how talented you are?
Should I tell you what my Mom said to me about those who brag about their “importance”?
My first double bass instructor gave me lessons on how to use a metronome effectively. Otherwise, I probably wouldnt be such a big fan.
Edit: He was a pro gigging jazz musician, one of the best in town, and he used a metronome.
Edit: He was a pro gigging jazz musician, one of the best in town, and he used a metronome.
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I would never say that using a metronome makes a musician deteriorate. I'm also not against them. Saying that, I know A BUNCH of great drummers here in Nashville, and in NYC who never practice with metronomes, and are perfectly good time keepers. So, my opinion is that using a metronome doesn't make you play worse, but not using one doesn't make you play worse either.
Which is about as close to a definitive answer as it is possible to get, IMHO. Well said that man!
I'm not sorry to say that you've gone and completely twisted what I said. I've known drummers who practice 8 hours a day with a metronome, but they still can't keep good time. Sometimes, you get thrown into a situation where you have to play with a guy like that. No, it's not ideal, but it definitely happens!
My point was never not to practice. I don't see where I even imply that, or "come dangerously close" to saying that. I practice a LOT. I just don't use a metronome. Experience and just playing in general are what give me good time in my experience. When I practice, I read music I've never read before. First, out of time until I learn the notes. Then, I work on the rhythms and playing it in time.
I also disagree that it's a drummer's primary job to keep time. It's everyone's job in a band to keep time collectively. If a band can't collectively keep time, then they don't deserve the gig. Sorry, not sorry.
Thank you. It's weird to me that it's debated at all in the first place.
Hyperbole level over 9,000. I don't think it's productive for me to continue this conversation. I said my piece and I read yours. We feel differently. Life will move on.
If you think I'm exaggerating, you're wrong. No hyperbole. I went to music school with drummers who did that. They still couldn't keep time. 8 hours a day and with a metronome. The specific guy I'm thinking of ended up working at Guitar Center, and then got out of music completely. Some people just don't have good time, and won't no matter what they do.
For the record, this entire thread isn't productive. No one's mind is going to be changed on either side, and that isn't my aim anyway. All I can offer are my opinions and my own experiences.
Gotta go. Life's moving on...
Here is my first post in this thread.
Another one.
I can tell numerous stories when PARENTS were so convinced that their children are the MOST talented children in the world and pushed them hard (paid big bucks) from very early years to play violin or, in worse case scenario, the piano, but...
Those children NEVER have become superior Classical Musicians.
Nothing new under the Sun.
I agree with everything you've said here. The quote from me that you used was to point out to someone else that I wasn't exaggerating. I can see learning music from a young age being good for being disciplined in general, but no, it won't make someone automatically a prodigy.
Honestly, this thread is pretty pointless.
Some people have found that using a metronome is helpful in a variety of different ways. Others have found no need for it.
In the end, it all depends on the musician and what works for them. Other people’s opinions should not matter. If using a metronome, learning theory, using flat wound or round wound strings, 4 string or 7 string basses, it should not matter. Ive seen people kick ass with step ups I didn’t care for, that doesn’t change their level of musicianship though. Obviously everyone practices differently and on different things.
To the OP, if you feel a metronome helps you, then use it. If you feel it doesn’t, then don’t. Don’t let anyone’s opinion or belittling change your mind. It’s all about what works best for you, and will help you progress as a musician.
Some people have found that using a metronome is helpful in a variety of different ways. Others have found no need for it.
In the end, it all depends on the musician and what works for them. Other people’s opinions should not matter. If using a metronome, learning theory, using flat wound or round wound strings, 4 string or 7 string basses, it should not matter. Ive seen people kick ass with step ups I didn’t care for, that doesn’t change their level of musicianship though. Obviously everyone practices differently and on different things.
To the OP, if you feel a metronome helps you, then use it. If you feel it doesn’t, then don’t. Don’t let anyone’s opinion or belittling change your mind. It’s all about what works best for you, and will help you progress as a musician.
Folks,
I am going to ask the Moderator to close this thread on a friendly note. The intent was to see if there was a reason ( as opposed to a preference) for not using a metronome. With 175 posts, you can draw your own conclusions.
I am going to ask the Moderator to close this thread on a friendly note. The intent was to see if there was a reason ( as opposed to a preference) for not using a metronome. With 175 posts, you can draw your own conclusions.
I would be happy to participate in a discussion on how to effectively use a metronome, drum machine or other. But some one else can start that thread.
I'm not sure many people on this forum know how to use a metronome in useful, productive, and sensible manner. You’re best served by bringing it up on the DB side.
We sure as hell can argue about metronomes though, and the mere mention of Berlin's name is like a drop of blood among a throng of hungry sharks.
Priorities....
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There's no need to close the thread, and I think there is, remarkably and through all the noise of they're great to they're of no benefit, an unwitting consensus that there are no proven reasons to not use a metronome.
Perhaps a better question might have been 'What might be the risk factors associated with using a metronome, and how might these outweigh the benefits?' To my mind, the biggest risk is leaving it on the floor in the practice room and tripping over it on your way back from the bathroom...
