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The most important skill a bass player must posses.

I think what the OP is looking for is that ability to surf the interface in our brains between the cortex and the cerebellum. The cortex is where the higher functions of creativity and intellectual application (e.g., which scale to play) occur. The cerebellum is where the "muscle memory" lives that remembers songs/licks/scales, and it also the part of your brain that is able to react fast enough and control muscles fast enough to play.

The "zone" is where you have detached your "explicit", cortex-based thinking process from your "implicit", cerebellum-based reaction process, and are allowing the music to "flow" without "conscious" intervention. "Choking" is when you allow your explicit thinking process to interfer with the implicit process. How many of you found yourself in the middle of a song wondering (explicit) if you're in the 2nd or 3rd verse--while your hands (implicit) knew exactly what comes next? Have you tried to start a song "at the 2nd chorus" and not been able to unless you go back into the song and play up to it in your head? That's because your implicit memory knows the song, and your explicit process has to go ask for it.

Learning the difference, and how to train each part of your brain for their specific contributions is a big key to pulling-off a good, easy, high-confidence performance. (A lot of this is from sports medicine, but applys to musical performance just as well.) Training the explicit process is the reading books, charts, watching training dvd's, etc. Training the implicit process usually involves repetition and drilling of the desired skills.

Putting them together is called "experience". But learning how to learn is a good starting place--not all of us are "naturals".
 
but he DID take them, theres no denying that :p. i agree he probably didnt need them, because that kind of talent is purely natural. All the recreational drug use did was take that already amazing talent to the next level.

Or, maybe it kept him from achieving all that his talent was capable of?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not some "goody two-shoes" that's just anti-(recreational) drugs, just because. I've done several people's shares in my life. At the time, I swore that it made me "better", more aware, on some super-level of consciousness, etc. In reality, what it did was to cloud my mind to the fact that I sucked - badly! Everything I did sounded "great" to me, & to everybody else who was too drugged-out to know any better. That didn't actually make it great. Quite the opposite, in fact. Slowed reactions, distorted senses, etc. don't make anything better. It doesn't make you better looking, bullet-proof, able to fly, etc. no matter how much you may think it does at the time. I'm afraid that "next level" is more often down than up, even though that's not what it feels like. As my "tour guide" told me, the 1st time I took LSD, "Don't believe anything that you see or hear! It's not real!"

Had Hendrix not been a drug user (or even less of one), he might have been able to write & play 50-100% better than he actually did, & he might still be doing it today.
 
I think what the OP is looking for is that ability to surf the interface in our brains between the cortex and the cerebellum. The cortex is where the higher functions of creativity and intellectual application (e.g., which scale to play) occur. The cerebellum is where the "muscle memory" lives that remembers songs/licks/scales, and it also the part of your brain that is able to react fast enough and control muscles fast enough to play.

The "zone" is where you have detached your "explicit", cortex-based thinking process from your "implicit", cerebellum-based reaction process, and are allowing the music to "flow" without "conscious" intervention. "Choking" is when you allow your explicit thinking process to interfer with the implicit process. How many of you found yourself in the middle of a song wondering (explicit) if you're in the 2nd or 3rd verse--while your hands (implicit) knew exactly what comes next? Have you tried to start a song "at the 2nd chorus" and not been able to unless you go back into the song and play up to it in your head? That's because your implicit memory knows the song, and your explicit process has to go ask for it.

Learning the difference, and how to train each part of your brain for their specific contributions is a big key to pulling-off a good, easy, high-confidence performance. (A lot of this is from sports medicine, but applys to musical performance just as well.) Training the explicit process is the reading books, charts, watching training dvd's, etc. Training the implicit process usually involves repetition and drilling of the desired skills.

Putting them together is called "experience". But learning how to learn is a good starting place--not all of us are "naturals".

+1

True words, spoken from the heart. Nothing to add...
 
I've never smoked weed in my life....not even a puff.

I've never found the lack of smoking weed to be "creatively stifling".

All due respect DH but your statement would indicate that you are speaking from a position of ignorance.

Personally I cant smoke and play because it jacks my time all up. But I would never try to criticize something Ive never actually experienced. Man, you just dont know. Our guitards all smoke and those boys can rip. Me and kit dont. Sounds good that way for us.
 
I love it when people try to argue the "benefits" of drug use while playing and how it makes them a better player.

I'm totally using one of those quotes for my sig.

Sadly I've had to fire fellow musicians, who tended to lose their otherwise awesome creative talents, because they buried it under a cloud of smoke, booze, or other controlled substances. Yes I smoked the weed in my youth and I did inhale; it can be pleasurable, but in general I've seen it screw things up more than help anyone play better.
 
There are a number of qualities that go into making a great player. But of the skills, the elements of the craft of bass playing good time is the single most important. You'll be forgiven for a whole lot if you got the deep pocket lock.

+100

There's a difference between "skills" and "traits." Skills can be learned, but certain traits (such as innate musicality, an ability to hear what "works") are harder to learn.

I know that for myself, what gave me great confidence as a bass player was studying non-Western music, specifically hand drumming from Africa and Latin America, and the gamelan orchestra of Bali. These musical cultures take rhythm to places that we typically do not in our own culture, and learning to play this music competently forced me to develop metronome sense that I probably would have been too lazy to refine to such a high degree had I simply been playing bass.

I now find that I can develop a very interesting accompaniment to some of our songs simply playing one or two notes (sometimes a tonic or fifth underneath chord changes), but with a lot of rhythmic variation and development. I probably would never have gotten to this place in my musicianship had I not listened to and studied and practiced West African and Latin drumming.
 
Everyone missed THE most important skill (IMHO). You must be able to LISTEN! Just my $.02.

Looks like you didn't listen to what is beaing said here:D

As opposed to what he might have done without drugs? For example: Live past age 28.

There's more to life than living.



There seems to be quite the opposition here against drugs. That's cool. I just feel it helps me get my conscience out of the way easier when jamming, like someone said up above. Still, it has it's place. I certainly would not recommend doing that at a gig. I would not, at least.

Also, using weed doesn't make me a better player technically, (more to the contrary), but having great chops doesn't necessarily mean you make great music. Having a great soul and the ability to express that, usually does. As I said, I find weed makes tapping into that easier. If you don't, then you don't.

Also, not specific to bassists, but I think it is very important to know your instrument. By that I mean know what note is where. Not specifically where c-sharp or f is, but know what sound will come out if you fret it somewhere. This goes a long, long way towards helping you express yourself on your instrument. Richard Bona once said in an interview he sings his lines, everything he plays and doing that helps you to get too know your instrument in that way. I've started doing that too, and it really helps. You should try it!
 
"I think there's a level that some musicians can reach where your mind is free and you tap into a source of infinite creativity. Is there a name for this? I've not heard too many teachings on this subject." -samrock5000

There is a 'magic place' or "THE ZONE," as the initial responder succinctly put it.

I called it, in my romantic youth: "To pierce the instant, and stand, a warrior at the edge of time."

I had all kinds of interesting ideas about time being non-linear or at least being somehow quantized. In retrospect, a lot of kooky, goofy thoughts were entertained in attempts to define and come to grips with just exactly what it was that happened when playing and entering that magic place. There were no notes, no scales, no timing limitations, and maybe, it could be said, no time in that magic place and the music just "pours forth" as another poster noted. There, "...you realize the blessing of the talent that has been given to you and that you have nurtured..." as T. B. Player said, above. It never happened with me until I had the basics down solidly.

It is, indeed, a magic place, and as thetawaves put it, "You tend to notice the guys most able to go into that "zone" because they end up with a bass-face to end all faces. And they may even drool..." My last girlfriend used to point it out to me when she was helping me with my stage presence. She would give me a special signal but I noticed it only happened just when I was on the edge of entering that magic place. Once in the magic place, I look a little more normal and I can usually catch the drool before it gets on my bass.

I have studied a few schools of thought which seem to have this 'whatever-it-is' at their inner-core teachings. It is presented as the place or state to arrive at or to in order to actualize the inner-core principles in application.

For instance, Advaita Vedanta, Ch'an and Zen Buddhism, and a few others come to mind. Avadhuta Gita was a song from Vedanta that kind of came close to describing that magic place.

The hundred-foot tall Buddha, or the pole-sitting Buddha ideas from Ch'an, I recall, came close. It has been a while since I have actively thought of these things, so I don't have the details at hand. The idea was that in meditation or sitting it was easy to get to that magical place but as soon as one took a step into the world one would crash down, like a hundred-foot-tall or pole-sitting person would if he were to take a step.

I study the Japanese sword. There was a school called Muto Ryu. (No Sword School) It's founder, Tesshu, wrote many short pieces on the inner-core stuff. A book, 'The Sword of No-Sword,' by John Stevens was one that I still have which has some verified writings of Tesshu's which come very close to describing it. Musashi's book Go Rin No Sho and some other's writings pointed at the magic place as well.

One other skill is the ability to effectively practice. In the book "Outliers," the author, Malcolm Gladwell, reveals an interesting connection between the time spent practicing art of the subjects he writes about and their fantastic level of success in their creative areas. The musicians he discusses are The Beatles. The interesting connection is that each statistically outlying super-performer has spent at least 10,000 hours woodshedding. Now if you do the math, that's three years of practice at 10 hours per day. Tesshu's Muto Ryu training requirements were 1000 consecutive days of training/practice at a minimum for general 'mastery' (I don't know what else to call it, like a black belt) of the first order.

As far as drugs, a band leader from the swing era or shortly thereafter said 'If any players think they play better on tea, the needle, or juice, they are lying to themselves - they don't' and this is a paraphrase I recall from Clive James book, "Cultural Amnesia." Of course, tea is weed and juice is drink. I have never been a band that was any good with a lot of bookings that would put up with even roadies getting or being high on the set. When it rears its ugly head in a band, I need it dealt with immediately.

No drugs, no drink. A lot of the fans don't understand this attitude. When on break they come up and offer something and I decline, they can't believe it. They say, "How can you play like that if you're not..." I say, "We all play like that because we're not!"

I stop drinking coffee the day or two before a show and switch to tea. No alcohol, either. Then at the show, I'll have a couple of cups of coffee. After the wrap, and at home, or the place I will sleep, I have a few beers. I stay up and often play until dawn or later. These quite moments of reflection are important to me. I enjoy them immensely. I gave up weed decades ago. It messes with my timing and abstract thought for days or weeks. It is just not worth it to me.

There are many references to this magic place in various disciplines...

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...No drugs, no drink...

Hmmm. Do you mean my Plavix <*URK!*> or my bi-polar meds? Man, you don't want to meet me if I'm not on my meds...

I made both of those up, based on people I know, just to point out the hypocrisy inherent in that kind of blanket approach to things. So what you really mean is no drugs except the ones that the FDA and the doctors have approved, and that you sign off on, as well. Well, screw that. Lots of people "maintain" just fine, thank you. Take me as I am--or leave it--but if you want to stand there in judgement like that, I'm the one who'll be avoiding you.

I think one this is important, though: consistency. If you drill and rehearse straight, don't be drinking a bunch of beers on gig night. The reverse is true: if you have a couple of beers at rehearsal, don't DT through the gig on some sense of purity.

Speaking of which, no one owes "art" squat. If my recreational usage diminishes my ability to produce art, yet provides a better (more fun) subjective experience, then the art is lost and I don't care. What you get is what you get and that's either good enough or you can take a hike. Don't be jiving me about "what could have been". You don't know, can't tell, and are just guessing from your subjective viewpoint.
 
Of course, DeluxeRed, I have known many who indulge and some, but few, who were the better for it while playing. What was posted were my thoughts based upon my experience tempering my opinion in an attempt to answer the original question. I did get side-tracked.

My experience informs me. I have experienced that if the drummer has even alcohol, his timing is off. The same is true for me. Caveat: if you are in that 'magic place' it doesn't matter as long as you still possess some motor skill, but it changes the character of your playing and interferes with (my) entering the 'magic place'. I've played with junkies, some of them fabulous players, even high. However, it does flavor their playing and just try to get them to show up for rehearsals, or even gigs consistently! As far as standing in judgment, there is no escape from application of experience/opinion which implies at least, judgment. I intend this statement to apply in an inverse sense as well. This is my opinion, tempered by (considering) experience.

Indeed, I exercised judgment with the choice of concept and words in my post. This forum has a wide audience. The original question was "...is there a name for this..."

I called it the 'magic place.'

Excellent point about consistency!

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