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The Official Covers vs Originals Thread

Original vs. Copy

  • I rather play with an original band.

    Votes: 84 46.9%
  • I rather play with a copy/cover band.

    Votes: 42 23.5%
  • It doesn’t matter.

    Votes: 53 29.6%

  • Total voters
    179
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It takes more skill to play in a rock cover band than an original rock band.

Ludicrous statement, I know. But some might think the opposite to be true (more skill in original vs cover band). And that, is sad. Something to do with validation of self worth as a bassist.
 
Funny you accuse me of not reading any posts I didn't write, when clearly you didn't read just a few posts back. Hypocrites are funny.

OT: Since you've been a TBer for a couple years, you've probably noticed that PKLima is one of the handful of posters who reliably make a thread richer instead of just pi$$ing all over it. Something for us all to aspire to.
 
OT: Since you've been a TBer for a couple years, you've probably noticed that PKLima is one of the handful of posters who reliably make a thread richer instead of just pi$$ing all over it. Something for us all to aspire to.

If that's your thing. Personally, I don't see anything worth emulating. But to each their own.:scowl:
 
This thread is for pointless trash-talking, but what do you mean you don't see anything worth emulating? Not even my Burberry plaid bass?

Oh well. FWIW I am playing with a girl who does originals, and though I have zero interest in doing any writing or co-writing, I am having fun making remixes of her songs.
 
I will second the 'ludicrous' notion that playing in a covers band typically takes more skill than playing in an originals band. At least, in my experience, 99.995 percent of originals bands out there really really are not very good. Sorry, but that's the truth. Cover guys (at least good ones in diverse bands) need to be able to pull off a variety of styles, tones, etc. I enjoy the creative outlet of originals, but playing covers will make you a better all around player.
 
These guys didn't have any issues with doing covers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_songs_covered_by_the_Beatles

Most of the successful band in my area play mainly covers, with some original work added in for good measure. As they grow in popularity, they continue to add more original material. The best of them eventually earn recording contracts and move on to playing mostly original music.
 
My 2¢
I've done plenty of both. Now it's strictly covers but I'm more than happy to record original music with friends or for hire. I do a bit of it at home now and then too. I also do the sideman thing for singer/songwriters occasionally.

Why covers?
- First and foremost, I love to play. Specifically, I love playing bass in good bands. It's where I find my joy, playing with other good musicians. Doing covers simply gives me more opportunity to do it.
- I love performing for an audience and the bigger the better. That rarely if ever happens with original bands and even when it does happen, if they don't know your music they don't pay attention.
- I'm a terrible songwriter. I've tried, I've worked at it and the output just isn't very good. I noodle at home with instrumental stuff and that's enough.
- The world is full of terrible songwriters. The vast majority of music written and played by original bands is just awful. Very few rise even to the level of mediocrity. If I can't write very well (and I can't) that means I play music written by other people. If I have to play music written by other people, then I'm going to play the best music I can find. That rules out just about all local original bands.

I make no apologies for the fact that I love playing great songs with guys I like hanging out with for people who also love listening to us play them. Slither? Check. REO Speedwagon? Check. John Hiatt? Start the count. Rod Stewart? I'm in! Delbert McClinton? Uh-huh. Eurythmics? Yes please.

If that bugs someone to the point where they actually have to comment on it and try to bring other people down for it, I feel really sorry for them. "Oh, look at that guy experiencing joy doing something he loves with and for other people who also really enjoy it!" Yeah. that's a terrible thing...
 
I will second the 'ludicrous' notion that playing in a covers band typically takes more skill than playing in an originals band. At least, in my experience, 99.995 percent of originals bands out there really really are not very good. Sorry, but that's the truth. Cover guys (at least good ones in diverse bands) need to be able to pull off a variety of styles, tones, etc. I enjoy the creative outlet of originals, but playing covers will make you a better all around player.

+1. Well put.
 
Skill is independent of the gigs we agree to take. Good musicians are good musicians, no matter who earns the royalties on the songs they're playing. Monster musicians in a cover band will be better than hacks playing their own tunes, but monsters playing their own tunes trump hacks in a cover band.

To become a monster you *must* in some way study or have studied other people's music. That doesn't require that you perform other people's music in public. However, players who aren't *capable* of breathing life into someone else's song might be good performers (to the extent that they've learned to perform their own songs in a way that's compelling), but they're not fully musicians.
 
I think if bluewine were to make a controversial statement everyone can reunite to flame him :p :hiding: :p

I think I have.

In Milwaukee if your passion is performing live in front of a crowd I think you would want to be in a cover band.

If your passion is creativity and art you might chose the originals route.

I will say this, I know guys in originals bands in Milwaukee, they rarely have any work. I know guys in cover bands and they are always working.

Flame if you like, I don't really know what flaming is, but I'm pretty good at ignoring ignorant points of veiw.



Blue
 
"flaming" someone is a reference to a person, our group of people, on an internet forum attacking someone with personal, and sometimes nasty remarks solely because of a differing opinion.

I was pointing out how you (blue) have been the recipient of such "attacks"before by many people on this forum.

The joke, which no one seems to have gotten :confused: , was towards the post I originally quoted that asked how we could end this thread, which had gotten contentious, on a good note. I jokingly wrote that everybody could unite by "flaming" blue, which has become something of a sport on the BM sub-forum.

If it was in poor taste, or was offensive to blue or anybody on the forum, I apologize. If the mods want to delete the post, I would be fine with that.
 
Man where did this thread go? Oh.... like allot of others here TBers jumping in late just trying to ruffle feathers with no real idea of what was going on here.

I started a thread asking for only those in originals band why they liked it and why they prefered it back in December I think. I said there I was not out to start a covers v orginals war, I just wanted to know what drives other guys like me.

That thread fizzled out then it was merged into this creating a bigger issue.

Since then my originals band has retired and I now play both covers and originals..isn't life funny?
 
Originals ALL THE WAY! I love writing and producing original music with people. Nothing beats it IMO. Some covers are fun too but it seems after I learn them I get bored quickly with most of them. If I want to hear something that has already been written, I'll listen to the album. There are a few that I do love to play though and never get tired of them. You cant beat original music in my mind though, that is where its at!
 
I think I have.

In Milwaukee if your passion is performing live in front of a crowd I think you would want to be in a cover band.

If your passion is creativity and art you might chose the originals route.

I will say this, I know guys in originals bands in Milwaukee, they rarely have any work. I know guys in cover bands and they are always working.

Flame if you like, I don't really know what flaming is, but I'm pretty good at ignoring ignorant points of veiw.



Blue

Like I have said the market will set how often you can gig no matter if its covers or originals. At times it was much easier to get more original gigs than covers but those gigs are brutal and often pay little to none.

I was with a rock band that did originals over the winter and we could of played 3-5 times a week in multi bill shows and jumping on as openers for travel bands.

This is one reason I left, the other members were, single, young and hungry to do weekday shows some that required travel no thanks

I will say what I believe, some do it for money , some do it for love, some do it to be creative and some all three.
If you can carve a notch with originals you could be on the fast track to stardom but like allot of actor's, artists etc who live by their creativity often they struggle and fail..pennyless.
If you have the passion you might get there most don't.... others do.

My goal is to play and be happy. Money still and never has been a factor for me to play...it's the music that I want and love. Originals light my fire but the flame is very low now after 4 years and it's burning out.
I know being in a cover band will never get me on big stages or get me signed and it's cool I just want to play, get paid and go home. It works for now.

Who know's what will happen down the road..time to enjoy what I have.
 
What bluewine doesn't seem to be able to comprehend is that, for some of us, being in an original band isn't about work, money, the amount of gigs you get or anything like that. It's creating something purely for the sake of creating it because you feel it needs to be created, not for what you can get out of it. I don't care if someone's gigging twice a week or twice a year.

As for whether the type of band you want to play with changes with age, I'm 41, I work full-time, am married and a dad (soon to be a dad again), and I have absolutely no desire to play covers. Nor do I have any desire to be signed (again) or be a so-called rock star. I want to spend my dwindling spare time creating new music with my friends. We're not expecting success, glittering prizes or mass adulation - for us, this is something we love to do, and it's nice if somebody wants to listen, and even nicer if they happen to like it.

My personal philosophy with music is that I never wanted to play the songs from my favourite bands. I wanted to be in my favourite band. Since most of the bands I love haven't been hiring for a bass player, that meant being in a band who could make music that I liked as much or more than the bands who were my influences. A lofty goal for sure, but, in two of the bands I played with, we succeeded.

It's nice if you can get some commercial success or lots of gigs, but it's not necessary for someone who makes original music to be justified in doing so - its a drive, an itch that has to be scratched. You need the talent to contribute, the right attitude and good people around you who share the same goals and communicate well. Yes, writing good original music is hard. So is playing the bass. The more you do it and the more you work at it, the better you get and the more rewarding it gets. And when you do get decent enough at it and get some gigs, there is no feeling like hearing an audience sing along with something you wrote. Having people dance to a groove you created. To see people you don't know on Youtube covering your songs.

Once you've had that, having an audience sing along with someone else's songs just doesn't really compare.

Hence the reason I won't ever play in a covers band. YMMV.
 
What bluewine doesn't seem to be able to comprehend is that, for some of us, being in an original band isn't about work, money, the amount of gigs you get or anything like that. It's creating something purely for the sake of creating it because you feel it needs to be created, not for what you can get out of it. I don't care if someone's gigging twice a week or twice a year.

As for whether the type of band you want to play with changes with age, I'm 41, I work full-time, am married and a dad (soon to be a dad again), and I have absolutely no desire to play covers. Nor do I have any desire to be signed (again) or be a so-called rock star. I want to spend my dwindling spare time creating new music with my friends. We're not expecting success, glittering prizes or mass adulation - for us, this is something we love to do, and it's nice if somebody wants to listen, and even nicer if they happen to like it.

My personal philosophy with music is that I never wanted to play the songs from my favourite bands. I wanted to be in my favourite band. Since most of the bands I love haven't been hiring for a bass player, that meant being in a band who could make music that I liked as much or more than the bands who were my influences. A lofty goal for sure, but, in two of the bands I played with, we succeeded.

It's nice if you can get some commercial success or lots of gigs, but it's not necessary for someone who makes original music to be justified in doing so - its a drive, an itch that has to be scratched. You need the talent to contribute, the right attitude and good people around you who share the same goals and communicate well. Yes, writing good original music is hard. So is playing the bass. The more you do it and the more you work at it, the better you get and the more rewarding it gets. And when you do get decent enough at it and get some gigs, there is no feeling like hearing an audience sing along with something you wrote. Having people dance to a groove you created. To see people you don't know on Youtube covering your songs.

Once you've had that, having an audience sing along with someone else's songs just doesn't really compare.

Hence the reason I won't ever play in a covers band. YMMV.

Very good post..hits the nail on the head for me.

I felt like you when I was in my originals band. The members all worked and some had families one was a Doctor the other a medical professional. We knew we could never tour,let alone travel but we did originals only for the fact we all loved writing and producing them.

We played some of the best festivals and stages in our area. We had press at times, did TV, radio, net interviews. We recorded 2 albums that got spins in allot of markets (small) We did allot I will never will do in a coverband.
Through it all thou we stood behind our music and so did those who supported us. That is what drove us all not a shot a fame we could of never been a part of.

Today things have changed like they do in many bands and we are no more. I still have the articles, CD's even an award the band was given to remind me of a great band and the time we shared...that's good enough for me.
 
What bluewine doesn't seem to be able to comprehend is that, for some of us, being in an original band isn't about work, money, the amount of gigs you get or anything like that. It's creating something purely for the sake of creating it because you feel it needs to be created, not for what you can get out of it. I don't care if someone's gigging twice a week or twice a year. .

Hi Rusty

To a degree your right.

I will never understand why the talented musicians I know
(2-3) that are content to sit at home never gigging because their is no ideal original band or people that will fit their dream.

I have been in 2 originals bands and I loved the material, but playing it to 10 people 2-3 times a year for little to no financial compensation did not cut it for me. For some I guess thats fine.


Blue
 
Man where did this thread go? Oh.... like allot of others here TBers jumping in late just trying to ruffle feathers with no real idea of what was going on here.

I started a thread asking for only those in originals band why they liked it and why they prefered it back in December I think. I said there I was not out to start a covers v orginals war, I just wanted to know what drives other guys like me.

That thread fizzled out then it was merged into this creating a bigger issue.

Since then my originals band has retired and I now play both covers and originals..isn't life funny?

I know huh. My thread got I merged into this thread too. I was trying to figure out why people like to play and used the original v covers to lead up to the question "why do you like to play". http://www.talkbass.com/forum/f67/why-do-you-like-play-988242/
 
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