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The Rooney Rule?

#42
jive1 said:
IMO, that was total BS. The Lions want to hire Marriucci, and Mariucci wanted to work for the Lions. Mooch was from Michigan, he knew their system, and was the guy everyone in the organization wanted. There was no need to interview, because it would have been a waste of time, they were only going to hire Mooch.

I don't think it's doing much of a service to interview a candidate just to waste their time, just to follow some rule, when the organization has no intention to hire that person and already have someone in mind. For all you know, no-one wanted to interview with the Lions because everyone knew that Mariucci was going to be the coach there, and if they actually wanted a job, they should interview elsewhere.
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Yeah...I remember hearing also that some team (I forgot who) wanted to interview Dennis Green, but he knew it was only to satisfy the Rooney rule and that he had no real shot at the job. So he didn't go. These are a couple of really silly by-products of the rule. I think it's been good for the sport, though, overall.
 
#43
basstotheface said:
I'd never heard this.

Really changes perspective.
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Only for the sake of argument does it change perspective. At the time the Rooney rule was established, I do not think there was a single coaching staff that did not include several African Americans, yet only four African Americans, Art Shell, Tony Dungy, Dennis Green, and Herman Edwards had managed to get head coach postions in the previous ten or fifteeen years. Before that, one would have to go back to 1926 or so to find a black player-coach when the league was basically a bunch of barnstormers.

There would need to be a critical mass of female coaches before applying the Rooney rule to women would make sense.
 
#44
Right. The Rooney Rule wasn't established just to hire any minority who wanted the job. It was obvious to all that qualified minorities were being passed up on a regular basis. It is actually disappointing that a rule has to be in place telling people to treat others fairly. I'll stop on that thought before I jump up on my soap box.

-Mike
 
#45
It wasn't established to hire a minority, only to include them in the interview process. Because as high profile as the NFL is, it sets an example for other 'businesses'.

Hiring should never be based on color, and neither should you NOT be considered because of your skin color. This is the NFL's way of showing diversity up at the top - again, this only applies to the interview process, NOT hiring.
 
#46
peledog said:
It wasn't established to hire a minority, only to include them in the interview process. Because as high profile as the NFL is, it sets an example for other 'businesses'.

Hiring should never be based on color, and neither should you NOT be considered because of your skin color. This is the NFL's way of showing diversity up at the top - again, this only applies to the interview process, NOT hiring.
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That's a very important point, and I am glad someone said it other than me.
 
#47
MJ5150 said:
Right. The Rooney Rule wasn't established just to hire any monitory who wanted the job. It was obvious to all that qualified minorities were being passed up on a regular basis. It is actually disappointing that a rule has to be in place telling people to treat others fairly.
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This sums up my thoughts very nicely, +1.
 
#49
Dr. Cheese said:
Because it is a member of the NFL. There are rules about eveything including salary, union contracts, television rights, etc. If there is discrimination, the NFL itself might be liable AFAIK. It only makes sense that there would be a league policy concerning hiring practces.
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My apologies, I should have clarified. I was defending the NFL's prerogative to make a rule like the Rooney Rule.

In addition to legal liability, I think that widespread perception of discrimination at the NFL would damage their public image, and hamper their ability to recruit talented people at lower levels within the organization.
 
#50
fdeck said:
My apologies, I should have clarified. I was defending the NFL's prerogative to make a rule like the Rooney Rule.

In addition to legal liability, I think that widespread perception of discrimination at the NFL would damage their public image, and hamper their ability to recruit talented people at lower levels within the organization.
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I understand, but there is certainly nothing to apologize about.:)
 
#52
cheezewiz said:
Dennis Green did more to set back black coaches than anyone else in history.
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I'm guessing you are joking, but in case you are serious, the man did take Minnesota and Arizona to the playoffs. No matter how silly his personal life got, there are dozens of white coaches who never got a single team in any playoff game at all.

I remember once hearing a white caller swear up and down that Dennis Green was a terrible coach because he never won or reached a Superbowl, but yet swore Mary Schottenheimer was great despite never getting past the AFC Championship. I think about Don Coryell or Bum Phillips who never made it to the Superbowl either but who were great coaches too.
 

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