Previous Star Trek set the precedent for changing the look of Klingons. Their behavior didn’t make any sense but their look in Discovery is one of the few parts of the show I don’t hate with the burning fire of a thousand stars.
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The Star Treks
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Alkali Ike
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Not much discussion here about Season 4 of Discovery, but for me it has almost completely lost its way. It's all over the place and nothing makes much sense. They're flailing around.
Did you know the USS Discovery has flammable gas piped around the bridge and there are now gas fireplaces in the crew lounges? I'm assuming the fireplaces are real and not holographic because when the ship is in action and sustaining heavy damage, gaseous fireballs shoot out of the walls and "pipes" on the bridge. Yet nobody acknowledges them or says something sensible like "We need a fire control team up here!" Just lots of gaseous fireballs.
And we just learned that the Discovery has *no* wiring of any kind. Stamets is explaining an electrical surge that knocked Book on his backside. He likens it to fried wiring, but then adds "If wiring were still being used". OK, no wiring whatsoever on a vessel as complicated as the Discovery.
Tilly is gone (I forget why). Much time is spent with Gray and Tadira, like that's a very high priority to the writers.
And yet, I still watch in spite of one disappointing episode after another.
Did you know the USS Discovery has flammable gas piped around the bridge and there are now gas fireplaces in the crew lounges? I'm assuming the fireplaces are real and not holographic because when the ship is in action and sustaining heavy damage, gaseous fireballs shoot out of the walls and "pipes" on the bridge. Yet nobody acknowledges them or says something sensible like "We need a fire control team up here!" Just lots of gaseous fireballs.
And we just learned that the Discovery has *no* wiring of any kind. Stamets is explaining an electrical surge that knocked Book on his backside. He likens it to fried wiring, but then adds "If wiring were still being used". OK, no wiring whatsoever on a vessel as complicated as the Discovery.
Tilly is gone (I forget why). Much time is spent with Gray and Tadira, like that's a very high priority to the writers.
And yet, I still watch in spite of one disappointing episode after another.
Here's something different: I read a couple of days ago that Paramount (NBC) is doing its best to acquire the rights to all the Star Trek series and move them exclusively into the Paramount platform. They want to provide the only access to all of the various series, including the ones currently on Netflix (with Netflix rights expiring soon).
Here's why it's interesting: name me ANY OTHER TV series which is 50 years old that has enough viewers to make it worth doing this. Is there one??
I don't think so.
For that matter, how many TV series (however many generations) even HAVE a track record of 50+ years??
In that regard, I believe the various Star Trek franchises make up a unique entity.
Here's why it's interesting: name me ANY OTHER TV series which is 50 years old that has enough viewers to make it worth doing this. Is there one??
I don't think so.
For that matter, how many TV series (however many generations) even HAVE a track record of 50+ years??
In that regard, I believe the various Star Trek franchises make up a unique entity.
That seems to be the way they were going. I’ll buy the dvd’s or Blu-rays of the six real Star Trek series before that happens. They’ll be the only physical media I own.
Discovery does not feel like Trek to me. I've tried to like it, but it is terrible. I love the old treks and Picard. But Discovery doesn't feel like trek at all. Regarding the next post, yes, Paramount is likely to keep all the treks on its service in the future. All content providers are hoarding their titles now. It is ruining streaming. Who wants to subscribe to 10 services to see favorite shows?
We have recently learned that the TOS is being removed from Amazon (along with all the other series). We were just discussing buying the TOS on DVD so we could continue watching. We pretty much watch at least one episode a day. It's like a family tradition.
Over the past couple of years I got rid of a large DVD library that was taking up space. I could easily find most of my favorite shows on streaming services at the time, and I bought digital copies of many shows. Recently I have started buying DVDs again because favorite movies and shows are being removed from Hulu and Netflix and Prime (our main streaming services) and being moved to individual services like HBO, Paramount+, Peacock. What is worse, episodes of certain shows are being 'sanitized' like The Office, The Simpsons, etc.
If you have DVDs and/or Blu Rays better keep them.
I just converted my DVD's to digital and store them on 2 drives.. double redundancy in case one takes a powder
I got the first 2 movies on DVD for Christmas.
The Motion Picture I wasn’t thrilled with although the V’ger satellite part was quite cool. It was like they were just so thrilled about being in a movie and having a bigger budget that they let it run away from them a bit.
The Wrath of Khan I found to be so much better. I had seen it, or parts at least, before. Good movie.
The kids were not able to find III or IV, but evidently they were also rereleased with I & II. ST IV I’ve seen many times, it was the one they always seemed to play on TV here.
So, I have been told that the movies follow a pattern where the even numbered movies are much better than the odd numbered movies. True?
The Motion Picture I wasn’t thrilled with although the V’ger satellite part was quite cool. It was like they were just so thrilled about being in a movie and having a bigger budget that they let it run away from them a bit.
The Wrath of Khan I found to be so much better. I had seen it, or parts at least, before. Good movie.
The kids were not able to find III or IV, but evidently they were also rereleased with I & II. ST IV I’ve seen many times, it was the one they always seemed to play on TV here.
So, I have been told that the movies follow a pattern where the even numbered movies are much better than the odd numbered movies. True?
Alkali Ike
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Personally I *really* like III Search For Spock. Voyage Home is like the one size fits all Star Trek movies. The later TOS movies are ok but not crazy good.
Then you get to the TNG movies. ¡Ay caramba!
But they’re all watchable.
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Then you get to the TNG movies. ¡Ay caramba!
But they’re all watchable.
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I vastly prefer Star Trek, but there are a number of Doctor Who fans out there who would put in a word for that show.
My experience also....I gave away more than I care to tell you peeps.
But , yes...Now I am starting to appreciate what I have left, as Netfflix has removed so many movies and shows I wanted to re wartch.
AND.....It drove me crazy when they started Beeping all the swear words in Family Guy....I am falling asleep and all the beeping would wake me up......Last night my Family guy DVD was played for the first time in 8 years to put me to sleep
Interesting! I've never been interested in Doctor Who, so I didn't think of them. Googling it tells me that it was on the air 1963-89 (26 years) and returned in 2005 (16 years to date, given that 2022 is only three days old). That's 42 years, which is close but a bit fewer. Still, that has to be one of the most long-term franchises on TV.
Doctor Who is a different thing. It’s more comparable to Farscape and it’s still much sillier.
I'm trying to watch Season 4 of Discovery but it is just plain horrible. There is so much personal garbage being floated around that I am not sure what the h e double hockey sticks they are trying to do and frankly, I don't even care anymore!
Fishheadjoe
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I’m a Dr Who fan from the last days of the third Dr and therefore just in time for Tom Baker the iconic 4th Dr. The show lost a bit of steam by around the 6th/7th Drs.
I returned to the show with my kids when it returned in the 2000s. My no 3 kid and I still watch it, and I just saw the New Years Day special, which we got on Jan 2 in Australia.
Dr Who is also changing to meet the new diversity theme and has had a bisexual character and people of colour as leading characters, and a female Dr.
There will be a new Dr in 2022 so we will see which way they jump.
It all depends on how you're counting. Do only TV series count? No new ST came out between 1970 and 1972, 1975 and 1986, 2006 and 2016), so it sits a ways lower than DW, methinks. If we add the movies, the '79-'86 and '09-'16 years can be added back to Trek (but Dr Who too had at least one TV movie in the Nineties). The two franchises are definitely comparable in terms of longevity.
