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Theory for bass players

For theory study on bass guitar, one of my recommendations is to play from cello or double-bass charts. Pick your favorite concerto or whatever it is.
You'll see this done with , for instance, bass clarinet. It will be an arrangement from a cello piece.

Any bass instrument, bass clef instrument, even at random. Jerry Garcia did this for his practice. In an interview he mentioned that once a year, he'd buy a pile of music, and play through it on guitar.
 
Good posts everybody, my main problem that I have to get away from is that I saw every note in my head on a piano keyboard then I have to transfer it to the fretboard. It was incredibly frustrating when I started but I over came it by doing arpeggios up and down the fretboard and calling out each note by their name. It is easy for me to see progressions and inversions etc. on the keyboard but a lot harder for me on the fretboard. I have the Walking Bass line publication. I think I will go back to college for a while.

In that case you definitely want Serious Electric Bass. Here's a TB thread discussing it.
 
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Good posts everybody, my main problem that I have to get away from is that I saw every note in my head on a piano keyboard then I have to transfer it to the fretboard. It was incredibly frustrating when I started but I over came it by doing arpeggios up and down the fretboard and calling out each note by their name. It is easy for me to see progressions and inversions etc. on the keyboard but a lot harder for me on the fretboard. I have the Walking Bass line publication. I think I will go back to college for a while.
It is frustrating. That's ok, though. Practically applying your knowledge as it relates to a keyboard will require practice. That's why it's called "practice".

You've well-illuminated why learning music theory in a way that is tied to a specific instrument is problematic. When it comes time to apply it to a new instrument, you have to hassle with translation. If you knew it in the abstract, you wouldn't have that problem.

Nothing wrong with more education. I'd focus more on the written notes this time and keep it theoretical as long as possible. You seem like a bright guy and more than up to the task.
 
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You can watch all the youtube videos you want, and obtain an entire library of theory books (Im very guilty of the latter...enough books here that i'll probably die before i get to them), but IMO unless you are in a situation where you are putting that theory to use, its more or less like reading a book on how to take a car apart without having a car in front of you to take apart.

Personally, I think the best way to get a better grasp on theory is to start playing jazz. I can't think of another genre that is as theory intense as that style of music. Not only are you visualizing theory due to the fact that you have charts in front of you, but you are also hearing how everything goes together, how bass notes fit with the harmonic structure (or don't fit if you make a mistake), provided the other people you are playing with are doing things correctly.

You don't have to go into a jazz situation with the goal of being a jazz bass player..just go into it with the goal of being a better bass player in general and you'll be surprised at what you pick up on.
 
For theory study on bass guitar, one of my recommendations is to play from cello or double-bass charts. Pick your favorite concerto or whatever it is.
You'll see this done with , for instance, bass clarinet. It will be an arrangement from a cello piece.

Any bass instrument, bass clef instrument, even at random. Jerry Garcia did this for his practice. In an interview he mentioned that once a year, he'd buy a pile of music, and play through it on guitar.
I have Bach Cello suites for electric bass
 
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First of all music education is great and have it based in theory is covering all bases...forgive the pun.

What you need is a practical application to narrow down your field of theory use.
So start playing music and songs in a live situation and see what areas of your theory get used most.

In general this will identify your strengths and weaknesses and show you in a practical application of use what you need to target theory wise for the bass guitar.

I studied Algebra and Latin in school over 45 years ago...never had a situation yet where I have needed them let alone use them.
They were not a waste of time because at some point they added to my understanding of learning, not the application of learning.

In maths working out area was all theory untill i got a house then it became practical from carpets to wall paper to painting etc...having a practical use for using area equations developed them quicker and better than any classroom lesson ever did.

And practical application in music will do the same for you...so do you continue with Algebra and Latin or develop you math skills using area?....develop what you need the most and leave the rest till it is needed....if it ever is.
 
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I think perhaps the OP is misusing the word "theory" - I think he's more interested in some advice on how to approach adding bass lines in the mix - not necessarily the circle of fifths stuff.
Yes theory can help with that, but it's more about being a musician with a good ear and understanding that most of the time roots and fifth are your friend. And yes theory will help one determine what those are, and as almost everyone is mentioned, "music theory" is not different from one instrument to the next.
 
I play bass, guitar and tenor sax. I fool around on piano a bit and I'm a singer. Music theory is identical for all of them. What's different is....well, obvious. Each instrument plays a unique role. So if you know your scales and know what the root, 3rd, 5th &7th is for each scale you already know them for bass. A riff that goes from ii to V has to resolve to I no matter what instrument you play because that's what our Western ears need. What you don't know is how to apply theory to the music you're actually playing that will serve the song. My recommendation is that you master every scale (major, minor, blues, pentatonic-major and minor-relative minor or whatever) in all keys, then practice improvising. Improvisation is where you apply theory to the music you actually play. My improvisations on sax are completely different than how I improvise on bass because the roles of each instrument are different. But the music theory I rely on to come up with what I play is identical.
 
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Cool, we're on the right track now. You really don't NEED a book for this. Studying transcriptions of Jamerson or (any legend) can't hurt, but you'll essentially be just doing what I describe below with a bit of a head start.

The best thing for learning how to create bass lines is your ears. Listen to lots of songs in the genre you are working with and hear what other are doing. Very basic I V country/polka lines? Melodic McCartney lines? Bouncy, funky Motown lines? Punchy violent metal lines? (Eventually, listening to multiple genres will help you alot, but to get the hang of it, just focus on what you're specifically working on.) Just listen a lot and focus on what the bassist is doing. I think you'll find some very common elements within a genre. Once your ear is full, take one line and either transcribe it or learn it yourself. Make sure you understand the supporting chords that you're working against. At this point you can bring theory in to see how the bass line compliments/contrasts with the tonality of the chords. Listen to the rhythmic approach: playing with the kick drum or more with the hi-hat or ride? Do this with another song, repeat the process and build yourself a bass vocabulary of other people's stuff.

Now take a song that you want to add a new line to and try out some of the stuff you've picked up to see what fits for THAT song and what doesn't. After a while it becomes second nature - you won't even think about it most of the time. The challenge can be making a line sound unique from another one (always a struggle), but they don't all have to be different if it's serving the song. Take 100 bass players, have them build a new line for a song and you'll probably end up with about 75 versions, depending on now creative and skilled the bassists are.

I work with an original jazz fusion band and write about 90% of my bass lines. I always start with simply following along with roots. As I get my root fingering patterns established I start embellishing - adding the fifth, adding a third, adding a seventh, whatever the section of the song calls for. Then I hone in on how I'm going to lock with the drummer. After playing lot 2 or 3 times, I usually have a pretty passable approach and just work on polishing it up. I've only been playing bass for 3 years, but do have a considerable music background (including tuba), but this I not rocket science. In some ways, bassists can get away with a lot and not every line needs to be show-stopping bit of brilliance. Sometimes root whole notes is what is called for - sometime silence is even better.

There's lot of online sources to help with analysis (Scott's bass lessons features a regular presenter (Danny 'Mo') who essentially just does bass line analysis for popular songs - it's an appropriate topic for your needs.

Just listen a lot and absorb - this will come quite quickly.
 
I have Bach Cello suites for electric bass
Huh. This reminds me how we got here.

The idea of playing from a bass guitar edition of the Bach cello suites befuddles me. Why would anyone do anything but obtain and play off the cello edition? It has "cello" right in the name. Deciding when to make octave shifts to accommodate the BG is a moment of musical education for the player. It's a call you will have to make in real life all the time. There will not be an answer page you can leaf to in the back of the book at gigs. You need to know what to do.

Similarly, there really isn't theory book like that either. No book is going to give you the depth knowledge and the confidence that comes from competence to use it in the moment.

It's just work, that's all. It won't kill you.
 
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Theory is the same. No argument there. But the emphasis on various points of theory should vary depending on the instrument - unless you're studying theory in more of an academic setting. So a music theory book presented from the perspective of a specific instrument as a first book on music theory for a player (as opposed to music majors) isn't that bad an idea IMO.

I found that, when I'm talking theory to a beginner, it works best to first give them an basic overall framework supplemented by some theory they can immediately start to use with basd rather than take a more formal classroom approach.

But maybe that's just me since Im not a professional academic or anywhere near the level of a conservatory trained musician.
The OP has experience as a piano player. I believe to a gigable competence. This is not his first experience as a musician.

I imagine the OP wants a specific part of theory expanded upon, related to bass. Maybe walking bass lines. (He mentioned upper and lower dominants).

So like all posts, the OP probably doesn't know exactly how to ask for what they want/need.

And as always. Private lessons should not be overlooked.
 
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And as always. Private lessons should not be overlooked

No argument there. I don't think it's possible to overstate the value of getting a qualified human teacher somewhere along the line. And ideally to do it as early as possible. Probably one of the wisest pieces of advice I ever got when it came to music was: "take at least some lessons from somebody sometime." Along with singing in my college's chorale, I don't know anything else that taught me more about music and music performance faster or better.

tl:dr - Take lessons if you possibly can. Period.
 
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I'm going to take the other side of the argument that it's necessarily wrong or sub-optimal for someone to want to approach music theory with a bass in hand. Yes, it's an academic discipline separate from any particular instrument but in university they had us all playing piano, whether we were drummers or vocalists or whatever. And yes, piano is probably a better teaching aid than bass. But who cares? If the guy wants to learn his theory and relate it physically and visually to the bass, let him!
 
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Why would anyone do anything but obtain and play off the cello edition?
The same reasons there are different editions for bass clarinet, bari sax, etc. Tuning, physical considerations , arrangement. The cello piece may rely heavily on an open low C. Maybe that piece is nigh-impossible on bass guitar without putting it in A.
Of course, transcribing that would be rote theory work, but if you're selling books to a wide range of students, and a teacher has 40 of them, they are going to purchase the books already arranged for their instrument.
 
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