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Thinking of other bands as the enemy?

dune

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I’ve been ruminating on what follows for just over five years. It began right after I met this 17‑year‑old bassist at a good friend’s funeral. I was blown away by how different — and frankly, how much better — his mindset toward other musicians was than mine had been at his age. Honestly, there were several times during that conversation when I thought, “I’m not sure I’ve ever had my sh— er, I mean… stuff together as much as this kid already does at 17.”

I don’t know how common thinking of other bands as the enemy is or if it ever was. It may not be common at all anymore, and maybe it never was, but I don’t think of myself (anymore) as a unicorn. Looking back over my career(s) from my vantage point at 63, I realize that the biggest breakthroughs didn’t always come from learning new things. Often the biggest came from unlearning old things — false truths I picked up along the way that weren’t serving me well at all.

To sum it up in two words, it was scarcity mentality. That “never enough” mindset, already well‑ingrained by my family of origin, was reinforced by many of the (mostly older) musicians I was closest to in my earliest days as a professional. I was barely into my 20s and impressionable, so it was easy to absorb their views as gospel. They’d been there, so they must know, right? I realize now that I was being further schooled in the zero‑sum worldview: if someone else got a gig, that could only mean that I/we lost out. If another band succeeded, it could only have come at our band’s expense. Everyone was competition — often to the point of being considered “the enemy.” In retrospect, it was truly awful, though I didn’t realize that at the time. I eventually realized just how arrogant it was to think that someone else’s success was in any way about me. Their gigs weren’t taken from me. Their progress was because of the work they’d put in, not a commentary on mine. I had been personalizing things that had nothing to do with me like it was a superpower. I had no scarcity when it came to arrogance.

While I had unlearned a little of this by the closing years of my music career, it hadn’t fully set in by any means. It reappeared in a big way shortly after I began working as a personal trainer. For the first several years, I often caught myself thinking the exact same types of thoughts I’d had as a young musician: “That trainer got a new client that could/should have been mine.” Same scarcity. Same zero‑sum thinking. Same tension. Same awfulness. Same arrogance.

Changes in fundamental thinking generally don’t come easily or quickly — and that was certainly true for me — but my life and career changed drastically for the better when, after considerable personal work, I was finally able to approach things with an abundance mentality: “There are plenty of clients to go around. Anyone who’s training with someone else isn’t meant to train with me.”
After that, it was easy to look back and see how much that scarcity mentality had lessened my experiences throughout my life. Another benefit of the abundance mentality was that it freed me up to end any professional or personal relationships that were serving only to drain me. I knew that eliminating negativity like that from my life only created room for the positive.

There may be plenty of folks out there — many far more successful than I’ve ever been — who think the abundance mentality is total BS and may even claim to owe their success to embracing its opposite. I'm not going to argue. Maybe it’s even worked well for you, and if so, kudos. All I know, and all I'm saying, is that it never worked well for me at all. This post may resonate with someone else, it may not. I truly don’t know if any of the other bands at the time were looking at us as “the enemy” or not, though I shudder to think that they weren't thinking about us at all.

On the other hand, I guess I can't actually rule out that I was (am?) in fact a unicorn. One who was (is?) uniquely messed up in such spectacular ways that no one else can relate at all? I don't think I'm that special (anymore, anyway), but I'm not arrogant enough to rule it out.

For the record, I've never noticed any rainbows flying out of my posterior.
 
TL;DR, but yeah, thinking of other bands as "enemies" isn't uncommon. When you're 15.

Right after I got out of the Army and came back hone, I started jamming with some local guys who told me crazy stories from their high school years about using gear they had stolen from bands they didn’t like :rollno:

They would wait outside when the band was loading out at a gig and when noone was looking they’d grab something they needed for their own band.
 
I’ve been ruminating on what follows for just over five years. It began right after I met this 17‑year‑old bassist at a good friend’s funeral. I was blown away by how different — and frankly, how much better — his mindset toward other musicians was than mine had been at his age. Honestly, there were several times during that conversation when I thought, “I’m not sure I’ve ever had my sh— er, I mean… stuff together as much as this kid already does at 17.”

I don’t know how common thinking of other bands as the enemy is or if it ever was. It may not be common at all anymore, and maybe it never was, but I don’t think of myself (anymore) as a unicorn. Looking back over my career(s) from my vantage point at 63, I realize that the biggest breakthroughs didn’t always come from learning new things. Often the biggest came from unlearning old things — false truths I picked up along the way that weren’t serving me well at all.

To sum it up in two words, it was scarcity mentality. That “never enough” mindset, already well‑ingrained by my family of origin, was reinforced by many of the (mostly older) musicians I was closest to in my earliest days as a professional. I was barely into my 20s and impressionable, so it was easy to absorb their views as gospel. They’d been there, so they must know, right? I realize now that I was being further schooled in the zero‑sum worldview: if someone else got a gig, that could only mean that I/we lost out. If another band succeeded, it could only have come at our band’s expense. Everyone was competition — often to the point of being considered “the enemy.” In retrospect, it was truly awful, though I didn’t realize that at the time. I eventually realized just how arrogant it was to think that someone else’s success was in any way about me. Their gigs weren’t taken from me. Their progress was because of the work they’d put in, not a commentary on mine. I had been personalizing things that had nothing to do with me like it was a superpower. I had no scarcity when it came to arrogance.

While I had unlearned a little of this by the closing years of my music career, it hadn’t fully set in by any means. It reappeared in a big way shortly after I began working as a personal trainer. For the first several years, I often caught myself thinking the exact same types of thoughts I’d had as a young musician: “That trainer got a new client that could/should have been mine.” Same scarcity. Same zero‑sum thinking. Same tension. Same awfulness. Same arrogance.

Changes in fundamental thinking generally don’t come easily or quickly — and that was certainly true for me — but my life and career changed drastically for the better when, after considerable personal work, I was finally able to approach things with an abundance mentality: “There are plenty of clients to go around. Anyone who’s training with someone else isn’t meant to train with me.”
After that, it was easy to look back and see how much that scarcity mentality had lessened my experiences throughout my life. Another benefit of the abundance mentality was that it freed me up to end any professional or personal relationships that were serving only to drain me. I knew that eliminating negativity like that from my life only created room for the positive.

There may be plenty of folks out there — many far more successful than I’ve ever been — who think the abundance mentality is total BS and may even claim to owe their success to embracing its opposite. I'm not going to argue. Maybe it’s even worked well for you, and if so, kudos. All I know, and all I'm saying, is that it never worked well for me at all. This post may resonate with someone else, it may not. I truly don’t know if any of the other bands at the time were looking at us as “the enemy” or not, though I shudder to think that they weren't thinking about us at all.

On the other hand, I guess I can't actually rule out that I was (am?) in fact a unicorn. One who was (is?) uniquely messed up in such spectacular ways that no one else can relate at all? I don't think I'm that special (anymore, anyway), but I'm not arrogant enough to rule it out.

For the record, I've never noticed any rainbows flying out of my posterior.





I came up in the early 90's DIY post punk / alt rock scene.

It was incredibly supportive, and cooperative - both in terms of the bands / venues / studios, and the bands / fans / press.

Successes we're generally celebrated : a rising tide lifts all boats.

Of course, there were a few d*#£heads.
 
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I’ve been ruminating on what follows for just over five years. It began right after I met this 17‑year‑old bassist at a good friend’s funeral. I was blown away by how different — and frankly, how much better — his mindset toward other musicians was than mine had been at his age. Honestly, there were several times during that conversation when I thought, “I’m not sure I’ve ever had my sh— er, I mean… stuff together as much as this kid already does at 17.”

I don’t know how common thinking of other bands as the enemy is or if it ever was. It may not be common at all anymore, and maybe it never was, but I don’t think of myself (anymore) as a unicorn. Looking back over my career(s) from my vantage point at 63, I realize that the biggest breakthroughs didn’t always come from learning new things. Often the biggest came from unlearning old things — false truths I picked up along the way that weren’t serving me well at all.

To sum it up in two words, it was scarcity mentality. That “never enough” mindset, already well‑ingrained by my family of origin, was reinforced by many of the (mostly older) musicians I was closest to in my earliest days as a professional. I was barely into my 20s and impressionable, so it was easy to absorb their views as gospel. They’d been there, so they must know, right? I realize now that I was being further schooled in the zero‑sum worldview: if someone else got a gig, that could only mean that I/we lost out. If another band succeeded, it could only have come at our band’s expense. Everyone was competition — often to the point of being considered “the enemy.” In retrospect, it was truly awful, though I didn’t realize that at the time. I eventually realized just how arrogant it was to think that someone else’s success was in any way about me. Their gigs weren’t taken from me. Their progress was because of the work they’d put in, not a commentary on mine. I had been personalizing things that had nothing to do with me like it was a superpower. I had no scarcity when it came to arrogance.

While I had unlearned a little of this by the closing years of my music career, it hadn’t fully set in by any means. It reappeared in a big way shortly after I began working as a personal trainer. For the first several years, I often caught myself thinking the exact same types of thoughts I’d had as a young musician: “That trainer got a new client that could/should have been mine.” Same scarcity. Same zero‑sum thinking. Same tension. Same awfulness. Same arrogance.

Changes in fundamental thinking generally don’t come easily or quickly — and that was certainly true for me — but my life and career changed drastically for the better when, after considerable personal work, I was finally able to approach things with an abundance mentality: “There are plenty of clients to go around. Anyone who’s training with someone else isn’t meant to train with me.”
After that, it was easy to look back and see how much that scarcity mentality had lessened my experiences throughout my life. Another benefit of the abundance mentality was that it freed me up to end any professional or personal relationships that were serving only to drain me. I knew that eliminating negativity like that from my life only created room for the positive.

There may be plenty of folks out there — many far more successful than I’ve ever been — who think the abundance mentality is total BS and may even claim to owe their success to embracing its opposite. I'm not going to argue. Maybe it’s even worked well for you, and if so, kudos. All I know, and all I'm saying, is that it never worked well for me at all. This post may resonate with someone else, it may not. I truly don’t know if any of the other bands at the time were looking at us as “the enemy” or not, though I shudder to think that they weren't thinking about us at all.

On the other hand, I guess I can't actually rule out that I was (am?) in fact a unicorn. One who was (is?) uniquely messed up in such spectacular ways that no one else can relate at all? I don't think I'm that special (anymore, anyway), but I'm not arrogant enough to rule it out.

For the record, I've never noticed any rainbows flying out of my posterior.
When I was playing full time the music scene around my town was borderline toxic it was so competitive. The scene has (finally) flipped now. My brother-in-law, who is about 20 years younger, plays in several different bands around town. That would have never happened in the 2000's. All the bands work together and help each other out now. It's frickin beautiful.
 
I’ve been ruminating on what follows for just over five years. It began right after I met this 17‑year‑old bassist at a good friend’s funeral. I was blown away by how different — and frankly, how much better — his mindset toward other musicians was than mine had been at his age. Honestly, there were several times during that conversation when I thought, “I’m not sure I’ve ever had my sh— er, I mean… stuff together as much as this kid already does at 17.”

I don’t know how common thinking of other bands as the enemy is or if it ever was. It may not be common at all anymore, and maybe it never was, but I don’t think of myself (anymore) as a unicorn. Looking back over my career(s) from my vantage point at 63, I realize that the biggest breakthroughs didn’t always come from learning new things. Often the biggest came from unlearning old things — false truths I picked up along the way that weren’t serving me well at all.

To sum it up in two words, it was scarcity mentality. That “never enough” mindset, already well‑ingrained by my family of origin, was reinforced by many of the (mostly older) musicians I was closest to in my earliest days as a professional. I was barely into my 20s and impressionable, so it was easy to absorb their views as gospel. They’d been there, so they must know, right? I realize now that I was being further schooled in the zero‑sum worldview: if someone else got a gig, that could only mean that I/we lost out. If another band succeeded, it could only have come at our band’s expense. Everyone was competition — often to the point of being considered “the enemy.” In retrospect, it was truly awful, though I didn’t realize that at the time. I eventually realized just how arrogant it was to think that someone else’s success was in any way about me. Their gigs weren’t taken from me. Their progress was because of the work they’d put in, not a commentary on mine. I had been personalizing things that had nothing to do with me like it was a superpower. I had no scarcity when it came to arrogance.

While I had unlearned a little of this by the closing years of my music career, it hadn’t fully set in by any means. It reappeared in a big way shortly after I began working as a personal trainer. For the first several years, I often caught myself thinking the exact same types of thoughts I’d had as a young musician: “That trainer got a new client that could/should have been mine.” Same scarcity. Same zero‑sum thinking. Same tension. Same awfulness. Same arrogance.

Changes in fundamental thinking generally don’t come easily or quickly — and that was certainly true for me — but my life and career changed drastically for the better when, after considerable personal work, I was finally able to approach things with an abundance mentality: “There are plenty of clients to go around. Anyone who’s training with someone else isn’t meant to train with me.”
After that, it was easy to look back and see how much that scarcity mentality had lessened my experiences throughout my life. Another benefit of the abundance mentality was that it freed me up to end any professional or personal relationships that were serving only to drain me. I knew that eliminating negativity like that from my life only created room for the positive.

There may be plenty of folks out there — many far more successful than I’ve ever been — who think the abundance mentality is total BS and may even claim to owe their success to embracing its opposite. I'm not going to argue. Maybe it’s even worked well for you, and if so, kudos. All I know, and all I'm saying, is that it never worked well for me at all. This post may resonate with someone else, it may not. I truly don’t know if any of the other bands at the time were looking at us as “the enemy” or not, though I shudder to think that they weren't thinking about us at all.

On the other hand, I guess I can't actually rule out that I was (am?) in fact a unicorn. One who was (is?) uniquely messed up in such spectacular ways that no one else can relate at all? I don't think I'm that special (anymore, anyway), but I'm not arrogant enough to rule it out.

For the record, I've never noticed any rainbows flying out of my posterior.
I don't think I ever thought of any band or person as "the enemy". I started in popular music later than my teen years and so I wasn't thinking of bands or people as the enemy. I can say I thought certain bands weren't very good and maybe shouldn't have been playing wherever it was, but the fact is, not every bit of music is a meritocracy, and that in general is not always an easy lesson to learn or to keep in mind at ANY or EVERY age. But it is a really GOOD lesson to learn and keep in mind if possible. Nice thoughtful post, thank you.
 
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When I got started touring in earnest, my band was part of the early jam scene in the late 80s and early 90s, so we were playing shows with Phish, Widespread, Aquarium Rescue Unit, etc. There was no competition, but a lot of cross pollination. Back then, every band in that scene was very different from the others, so we shared musical ideas, tech stuff, practice strategies, mailing lists, etc. It was a great situation to come up in. Even before that, it just seemed like people were excited to be playing and getting things together as a community. I had a lot of fun in the underground scene in Boston in the 80s. Lots of loft parties and some very experimental stuff. It probably depends on where you were coming up and the scene there. I can imagine that it could be quite cutthroat in some circumstances.
 
Most bands around me do open mics once a week. I try to attend all of them. Therefore, other bands are my friends, and they know who I am and what I do. Leads me to having a lot of friends and all I gotta do is play bass. But, I don’t play for money, that’s a losing game in 2026.

Sometimes I sub for these bands or if they spot me in the crowd they invite me up for a song or two.

In my opinion competition leads to uninspired musicianship, be yourself dont worry about what other people think. You catch more flies with honey, and you catch more honeys bein fly.
 
The world and life is not a zero sum game. The data is so blazingly clear. Yet, we are often raised to believe that it is. Sports are a zero sum game. There are defined rules and boundaries, thus winners and losers. Life is not so black and white. When we were young, we played Battle of the Bands. There are brutal competitions in classical music. I have friends who truly became traumatized by their experiences in that competitive realm. That is a child’s mentality. Hopefully, we progress to a higher plane and realize that life, art and relationships exist in both collaborative and competitive basis, and can exist for the betterment of all.
 
Did a battle of the bands as recently as 10 years ago. The venue guaranteed 2 paying gigs minimum to each band. It was OK but I'm not keen on doing that again. I work with about a half dozen bands playing all sorts of music. I'm grateful for the work and to count these folks as friends, or at least pals. I think for me the "enemy" thing was a reaction to my lack of self confidence, which can still creep in. And FOMO as well.

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