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Double Bass Thoughts on the Yamaha SVB-200SK?

That does look great, Martin. And your description sounds great as well.
How do you find the tripod foot? Clearly it is strong enough to stand the bass upright. Are you able to move with the bass? Step back and rest the neck on your shoulder for thumb position?
Does yours have the removable neck, or the solid neck?


Hi Anthony , mine has the solid neck. I did consider the 'FLY'/removable neck option, but that would limit my strings choice to mainly steel core strings and I prefer synthetic core strings. These generally don't respond well to being removed and installed again too often, as this will likely increase the risk of breaking/snapping the strings. And since you're basically 'removing and reinstalling' strings every time the 'FLY' model is disassembled and reassembled, I chose to rule that option out. But it's a great option for bassists who need to bring the bass with them on a plane.

Well, the tripod isn't actually a foot, but a stand; in the sense that it's not intended to be used while playing (like f.ex. the NS Design EUB's). Its function is entirely as a 'resting place' (in lack of a better term) when the bass is not in use. The tripod (when folded) is about 50 cm's and has its own compartment on the outside of the included gig bag and you'd definitely want to always bring it with you on gigs. Once the extracted endpin is placed in the stand, it might seem a little wobbly and will have a tendency to lean just slightly 'forwards'. But if one leg of the tripod is also facing forwards, it's really sturdy. ( see attached photos).

You can move the bass in exactly the same way as a regular DB. It has a long and strong (15mm wide) endpin that doesn't wobble and it feels very sturdy. When playing thumb position you also do exactly as you would on a regular DB and rest the neck on your shoulder. The bouts/shoulders of the bass are very sturdy and feels just like a proper DB, too. The only 'difference' is that you can actually move the bass around with one hand/arm... Making you look remarkably similar to a Medieval Archer with a big Crossbow on the way to the battlefield :laugh:

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Hmmm... Very tempted... Could someone comment on how feedback resistant these basses are? Currently I use a Fichter EUB with a magnetic pickup, which is just as feedback resistant as a regular bass guitar, but it also sounds almost identical to one. Which I do not necessarily dislike, but it would be great if I could play in very loud jazz and pop bands with a more "acoustic" tone.

In quieter settings I will continue to use my acoustic double bass, which I mike with a Schoeps.

Thanks,
Vincent
 
Hmmm... Very tempted... Could someone comment on how feedback resistant these basses are? Currently I use a Fichter EUB with a magnetic pickup, which is just as feedback resistant as a regular bass guitar, but it also sounds almost identical to one. Which I do not necessarily dislike, but it would be great if I could play in very loud jazz and pop bands with a more "acoustic" tone.

In quieter settings I will continue to use my acoustic double bass, which I mike with a Schoeps.

Thanks,
Vincent
Not having one, but the best compromise on acoustic tone and feedback resistance might be a moving top without a resonance body. At least one of the MK models should work like that, but something similar and probably even more feedback resistant is "the bat" as it was called from a Hungarian manufacturer that has been discussed on talk bass. The bass bridge sits on a long longitudinal bridge from neck joint to tailpiece that can move up and down with the bridge.
The MK has a kind of soundpost that can be moved easily which the bat doesn't have.
 
As promised, I made a few quick recordings of the MK Studio. Both are un-EQ'ed and unprocessed, going straight from the piezo to my soundcard (1MegOhm JFET input). The first half of each example is a quick backing track from the SessionBand Jazz apps - 1 chorus of Green Dolphin Street, followed by some solo noodling. First track is without my homemade foam mute; 2nd track is with the mute (which I personally prefer).

Disclaimer: I haven't touched a Double Bass since 2004, so I apologise for the poor intonation and generally crappy playing. These are just examples of how the built-in piezo sounds out-of-the-box with the cheap steel core stock strings..
 

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Doesn‘t sound bad. The brightness pretty sure comes from the cheap (solid) steel core strings. Some metal wound synthetic core strings should sound good without loosing too much high frequency components like these cheap ones with the mute.

I totally agree. My plan is to switch to Evah Pirazzi's as soon as I can. I much prefer their darker sound and thumpy attack... And I think this is the reason why all the official demo videos on the MK website have the basses strung with Evah's.
 
Ok. I got mine in and have been having a ball getting it set up and dialed in. It really is beautiful. This is my first ever double bass so I have nothing to compare it to. But it feels natural and pretty much like every other upright I've picked up and noodled around on. So I think it's going to be perfect for my needs. Like you , Martin, I'm sure I'll try out different preamps and setups. But for now just going through my Aquilar tone Hammer preamp into my mixer and then listening on headphones out of the mixer sounds pretty damn good to me.

Now I just have to learn to play the thing. I mean, I play a lot of fretless, and even have an unlined fretless. But man that's a whole lot of real estate on that upright fingerboard.
 
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I'm very interested in MK. Have had to bookmark another "non-MK" thread to retain the info. Maybe someone with Talk Bass Superpower could create an MK Megathread?

EDIT: Wait! There is one!

Italian EUB

I can tell you I’m impressed with the craftsmanship. I was attracted to the fact that it’s just a piezo pickup and that all the tone shaping is external. I was worried about how Yamaha has upgraded their signal processing through every incarnation of their silent bass line. I liked the idea of something that wouldn't go obsolete with the next generation and where I could work with whatever external preamp I liked.
 
Congrats on the new bass, Ben ! Glad to hear that the Tonehammer works well with the piezo. Have you tried playing it through the DarkGlass head yet?

Yes, the fingerboard seems a little daunting when you're used to electric bass. But being used to playing fretless certainly helps the task of (trying) to play in tune.

I think that the common advice here on Talkbass to any newcomer to double bass is : Get a teacher to show you (at least) the basics in terms of left-/right hand techniques, posture etc. in order to avoid any pitfalls that may cause physical injury or long term harm.

But judging by your original post, one-to-one tuition doesn't seem like a viable option for you at the moment. Once the Covid crap is on the decline again, I would still highly recommend that you try to look up a skilled DB teacher in your area and get some lessons on the basic technique(s); it'll pay off in the long run.

Until then, I highly recommend fellow TB'er Geoff Chalmer's excellent website 'Discover Double Bass'. He has some nice free lessons which I think would be helpful for you when you're starting out on DB :

Beginners Double Bass Lessons — Discover Double Bass

Enjoy your new bass (and the inevitable blisters :D )
 
Congrats on the new bass, Ben ! Glad to hear that the Tonehammer works well with the piezo. Have you tried playing it through the DarkGlass head yet?

Yes, the fingerboard seems a little daunting when you're used to electric bass. But being used to playing fretless certainly helps the task of (trying) to play in tune.

I think that the common advice here on Talkbass to any newcomer to double bass is : Get a teacher to show you (at least) the basics in terms of left-/right hand techniques, posture etc. in order to avoid any pitfalls that may cause physical injury or long term harm.

But judging by your original post, one-to-one tuition doesn't seem like a viable option for you at the moment. Once the Covid crap is on the decline again, I would still highly recommend that you try to look up a skilled DB teacher in your area and get some lessons on the basic technique(s); it'll pay off in the long run.

Until then, I highly recommend fellow TB'er Geoff Chalmer's excellent website 'Discover Double Bass'. He has some nice free lessons which I think would be helpful for you when you're starting out on DB :

Beginners Double Bass Lessons — Discover Double Bass

Enjoy your new bass (and the inevitable blisters :D )


Thanks! I'll definitely get some in person 1:1 once things open up. In the meantime I'll work with a couple of folks online

I haven't tried it through the Darkglass head yet. That's boxed up and in the basement for safe keeping. But its tone is actually not that different from the Aquilar so I'm sure it will be great.

And I'll check out the Chalmer web site. Sound like just what I need to start getting more comfortable with this thing.
 
Just got my Acoustic Box II preamp from Vintage Revolution yesterday. And WOW! This bit of analogue kit is bloody amazing. I'd never in a million years thought it would be possible to get such a warm, natural and even sound out of a piezo pickup ! - it's almost Tube-like. The perfect match for the MK Studio.