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Thunderbird Club

It's after 10:00am Sydney time, are you out of your PJ's yet?

As it happens, NO.

Going to start work again after my catnap. Seeing it's a work from home day due to me being up all night, and it being dark, cold and rainy, can't say I'll be out of my PJs today. Off to make a pot of tea and some porridge ('oatmeal' as you barbarians call it).

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I did it cold turkey, had to beat it mentally - No other way for me.

The Scotch will taste even better when you do :)
John Coltrane quit everything but cigarettes. Those stopped him cold- but after quitting heroine, cocaine, alcohol... I guess he was pretty edged out. Addiction is a bad master.

Well done, Your Grace.
 
John Coltrane quit everything but cigarettes. Those stopped him cold- but after quitting heroine, cocaine, alcohol... I guess he was pretty edged out. Addiction is a bad master.

Well done, Your Grace.

Indeed well done. Ex-smokers tend to be healthier and live longer lives than their never-smoked controls. There are a number of hypotheses about the mechanism, but as far as I know, it is a mystery that has not yet been solved.

But every silver lining has a dark cloud. A large number of neurology clinical researchers refer to cigarettes as a great drug with a terrible delivery system. Smokers tend to suffer fewer degenerative brain diseases and if they do suffer from them, tend to have milder symptoms than their age matched comparables. This is much different from the "smokers paradox"; the tendency for smokers to survive their first heart attack, unlike their never-smoking counterparts. The "smokers paradox" was solved when age-matched controls were used. The difference is that smokers tend to have their first heart attack at least a decade earlier and so are physically better able to survive.
 
Then again, anyone that claims all birds neck dive is making a gross over statement without sufficient experience or data to back it up
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Mine (anniversary issue) doesn't have a hint of neck dive. It stays right where I put it (about a 30 to 45 degree angle). And for the record I only own one non slip grippy strap which I never use because I hate grippy straps, all they do is pull my shirt around (bought it to correct a neck diving Fender and eventually sold the Fender). All my straps are Levys leather bass straps and all have smooth leather on the inside, not suede or anything grippy. I do wear my TBird low, around the waist as opposed to up under my armpit in Jazz bass territory. One could claim that I've just been very fortunate with my TBird, however I have tried about a dozen other Gibson birds all from the late 1990's on and had the exact same experience.

Are there Birds out there that dive? I assume so. Is neck dive an inherent design flaw in modern (non vintage) Gibson Thunderbirds? Nope.

Full disclosure: I have never tried any vintage Gibson TBirds, nor have I tried any Eppiphone Birds or any five string birds or any of the countless "off brand" birds (except my Spector). I have also never tried a nylon strap (because I've never seen one that remotely appealed to me). And for the record I own and regularly play well over a dozen different Fender basses vs my one TBird so I probably don't fit the Bird fanboy profile.
IME, "smooth" leather straps are still grippy enough to stop a bird from diving unless you are wearing silk ;) and most leather straps being wider than slick nylon straps helps too.

It does not need to be full on suede or super grippy. Anyone who ever sat down on a leather couch naked or in briefs or short shorts could attest ;).

Good leather straps are ideal for birds, they don't need to be suede.
 
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