If nothing else, he has had a very humbling experience that could be an example to help them avoid self-righteousness.
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Tiger Woods Statement/Apology
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If nothing else, he has had a very humbling experience that could be an example to help them avoid self-righteousness.
john turner
You don't want to do that. Trust me.
So, the enormous endorsements, being the face of the PGA Tour and the only reason why many people even watch golf, having the image of an ideal family life, being an idol and role model to possibly millions of kids, and the incredibly intentional matrix of deceipt he created had nothing at all to do with it? Nothing? Really? No, you're right... it must be because he's half black. I'm sure the PGA's just been waiting for years to git 'im. And now they finally have their chance!
the fact that other folks used him and his phenomenal abilities to sell their products, whether it's nikes, or suv's, or golf itself, was on -them- - they certainly got their money's worth. he never put his family out there for it to be publicly scrutinized, or held up as an example, nor did he ever explicitly agree to any "role model status" just because he was the yoda of golf.
apparently folks still have a hard time handling the fact that a dude with an extreme taste for the opposite sex and an exhorbitant amount of fame and money is going to capitalize on that fact. they also have a hard time handling the fact that it's none of their business.
that to me is the biggest "Crime" of this whole episode.
folks that worry about the role models for their kids need to teach them right themselves - be their role models, don't rely on some stranger to provide the inspiration and guidance for their own children. that whole line of reasoning is absurd - children are their parents' responsibility, not the corproate sponsors or their figurehead spokesmens'.
this still smacks to me of spite and envy, and yes, racism/anti-miscegenation among a lot of white golf fans.
it'd be one thing if he was cheating in the game, but this? sorry, but it's irrelevant, and nobody's business but his family's.
that's not to say i'd want to spend any time in his company, but guess what? i wouldn't have cared to before-hand either. golf's not my thing. -shrug-.
His inability to be faithful to his wife has nothing to do with his competence as a parent.
No one on this board can fathom what it is like to be at Tiger's level of fame. And yes I'm aware we have several famous bass players here, but not one of them are on his level of fame/notoriety. He's been THE sportsman for over a decade now. He was solely responsible for bringing golf to the masses.
It's easy to sit and talk from your chairs but let's think of it this way. Tomorrow you bust out onto the music scene with a great hit. And then over the course of the next 13 years you become the biggest rock god on the planet. You bring music to a level no one's ever seen before. Women line up to throw themselves at you, every company wants you to endorse their product, people tune to the Grammys just because you're performing, you're on just about every magazine, you have your own signature bass and Guitar Hero video game. Every single person on the planet knows your name and knows you're the best at what you do and tells you so on a daily basis. You're going to sit there and tell me if you get thrown into that kind of situation and you'd stay the same person? It's not going to effect how you act and what you think you can get away with?
Like I said, I don't condone what he did. But I understand.
Vic, you need to understand that the internet is full of perfect people who are above any sort of error which allows them to stand in stern judgement of those who fall short of perfection.
Here's my opinion.
I caught a few minutes the other day. Pathetically rehearsed to the point of being fake. More importantly, I don't care. That press conference could have ended in a public divorce with Judge Mathis calling bs on the whole thing and Woods getting remarried to a woman in a Minnie Mouse outfit with Judge Wapner doing the nuptials (making a comeback of unprecedented proportions). I just don't see it as an event. No more than Mrs. X banged Mr. Y in the daily tabloids. Sure it's a decent topic of conversation for a day or two, but it doesn't really matter.
Mike
I caught a few minutes the other day. Pathetically rehearsed to the point of being fake. More importantly, I don't care. That press conference could have ended in a public divorce with Judge Mathis calling bs on the whole thing and Woods getting remarried to a woman in a Minnie Mouse outfit with Judge Wapner doing the nuptials (making a comeback of unprecedented proportions). I just don't see it as an event. No more than Mrs. X banged Mr. Y in the daily tabloids. Sure it's a decent topic of conversation for a day or two, but it doesn't really matter.
Mike
i believe that it defines his inability......is it that hard to imagine what effect this may have on them......
i know it's very common for men to wink when his bud manages to
"git some" on the side.....but let us remember that most of these same men stood up in front of their spouse,friends,family,and their god and swore to be faithful.....perhaps it needs to be looked at a little from the perspective the woman who was just humiliated in front of the whole world,and the kids who will no doubt have to grow up in the shadow of that humiliation.....
My parents divorced when I was his eldest child's age. I hardly recall anything before or during it, so I don't see this really having any effect on either of them. He owes his wife an apology sure, but the rest of the world owes him and his family an apology for turning this into a 3 ring circus.
i doubt if your family had it's laundry hung out in the world wide media.....do you really think this will have no effect on them
Must be that John Daly is black, 'cause he's sure had his share of tongue-wagging and media scrutiny for conduct off the course, yet he's so pale !
IMO these public whining/apologies/excuses by people like Woods, Phelps, Duchovny et. al. are sickening and meriting of any derision people can heap on them. Attention whores, one and all. I'd respect them if they just admitted to enjoying doobies/whores/whatever and told everyone to ####-off and mind their own business.
IMO these public whining/apologies/excuses by people like Woods, Phelps, Duchovny et. al. are sickening and meriting of any derision people can heap on them. Attention whores, one and all. I'd respect them if they just admitted to enjoying doobies/whores/whatever and told everyone to ####-off and mind their own business.
To people who are shocked this is still going on, this conversation is using Tiger Woods to explore various thoughts, I'm pretty sure none of us care about Tiger Woods. Regarding the media attention of him I agree though.
That's for the media to decide. If they'd let it go, there won't be much of a problem. But if they milk this forever like they tend to do, then yes.
I bet you don't have children of your own then. Respectfully, I have to say that makes a big difference in how most folks view these types of situations.
I'm going to comment on a few things.
Firstly, I think the comment about race really isn't accurate at all. The fact that he is a public figure is why this is a story. Look at when Martha Stewart broke the law, or when Clinton was in the news for his adulterous acts. People are doing this every day, it's simply because they are public figures that it has become a big story. Not because he isn't white.
That being said, the fact that everyone is doing it doesn't make it excusable. Tiger made a mistake...sorry, many mistakes. He should apologize for them but...NOT to the public!! What does Tiger owe the public? Tiger is a golf player, and the only reason people should care at all about him is to follow his golf playing. I agree that he can't necessarily avoid attention since he is a public figure, but that shouldn't be how it is. Why are we, as a society, so concerned with the personal lives of celebrities?
Sad thing is, I know people will stop watching him play golf and stop being a fan due to his behaviour.
"Did you see Tiger play today?"
"No I won't watch him, he cheated on his wife several times."
Right...so it isn't morally correct and it might make him a bad person but...why should that have anything to do with him playing golf?
I never followed him in the first place. I don't know that he should or should not be thrown off all of his sponsors due to his behaviour, because he still plays a great game of golf.
So while I personally think that, yeah Tiger is not really that great a person, I also think it's none of our business and it really shouldn't change our image of him because, really, we shouldn't even need an image of Tiger.
Firstly, I think the comment about race really isn't accurate at all. The fact that he is a public figure is why this is a story. Look at when Martha Stewart broke the law, or when Clinton was in the news for his adulterous acts. People are doing this every day, it's simply because they are public figures that it has become a big story. Not because he isn't white.
That being said, the fact that everyone is doing it doesn't make it excusable. Tiger made a mistake...sorry, many mistakes. He should apologize for them but...NOT to the public!! What does Tiger owe the public? Tiger is a golf player, and the only reason people should care at all about him is to follow his golf playing. I agree that he can't necessarily avoid attention since he is a public figure, but that shouldn't be how it is. Why are we, as a society, so concerned with the personal lives of celebrities?
Sad thing is, I know people will stop watching him play golf and stop being a fan due to his behaviour.
"Did you see Tiger play today?"
"No I won't watch him, he cheated on his wife several times."
Right...so it isn't morally correct and it might make him a bad person but...why should that have anything to do with him playing golf?
I never followed him in the first place. I don't know that he should or should not be thrown off all of his sponsors due to his behaviour, because he still plays a great game of golf.
So while I personally think that, yeah Tiger is not really that great a person, I also think it's none of our business and it really shouldn't change our image of him because, really, we shouldn't even need an image of Tiger.
I must have missed the multiple People magazine covers and nightly news program that devoted all or part of their airtime to John Daly's life like they did for Tiger.
Daly got some press, but it paled to the coverage of Tiger's woes. As I said before, Tiger has himself to blame for most of his bad press, but there is a fascination with him that is based on his love of white women.
My two cents ...
Regarding the Black thing, I don't think this is a race-based issue where Tiger is concerned. I think the biggest titillation is based on his heretofore "Squeaky Clean" image.
Whether or not you believed it, Tiger's whole currency was based on the fact that he was perceived as a person who was ...
1) A family man with a beautiful wife
2) A maniacally-focused perfectionist
3) A super-hard worker
4) A person who performed superbly under pressure
5) Filthy rich as a result of his hard work
Those are traits that people (especially we Americans) value very, very highly. Rightly or wrongly, we worship people who (we perceive to) embody those qualities. Tiger was very good at creating an image that made us think he was all of those things.
The story here (and the fascination) is that the man who appeared to be perfect now appears to have feet of clay. Or worse yet <<GASP>>, he's a human being and subject to human frailties. And oh, by the way, the one thing we're better at than building people up is tearing them down and that's exactly what these revelations have given everyone the ability to do. BTW, The Black thing especially doesn't count because Tiger took great pains to let everyone know that he isn't black -- he's Cabalinasian, remember?
Personally, I don't care a hill of beans about Tiger or his situation because the bottom line for me is ...
Tiger made hundreds of millions of dollars.
He acted immorally and irresponsibly
He got caught
He's going to make millions more dollars
I still have to go to work today.
Regarding the Black thing, I don't think this is a race-based issue where Tiger is concerned. I think the biggest titillation is based on his heretofore "Squeaky Clean" image.
Whether or not you believed it, Tiger's whole currency was based on the fact that he was perceived as a person who was ...
1) A family man with a beautiful wife
2) A maniacally-focused perfectionist
3) A super-hard worker
4) A person who performed superbly under pressure
5) Filthy rich as a result of his hard work
Those are traits that people (especially we Americans) value very, very highly. Rightly or wrongly, we worship people who (we perceive to) embody those qualities. Tiger was very good at creating an image that made us think he was all of those things.
The story here (and the fascination) is that the man who appeared to be perfect now appears to have feet of clay. Or worse yet <<GASP>>, he's a human being and subject to human frailties. And oh, by the way, the one thing we're better at than building people up is tearing them down and that's exactly what these revelations have given everyone the ability to do. BTW, The Black thing especially doesn't count because Tiger took great pains to let everyone know that he isn't black -- he's Cabalinasian, remember?
Personally, I don't care a hill of beans about Tiger or his situation because the bottom line for me is ...
Tiger made hundreds of millions of dollars.
He acted immorally and irresponsibly
He got caught
He's going to make millions more dollars
I still have to go to work today.
It may seem contradictory, but I agree with IotaNet. Although I do think there is a racial subtext to the Woods story, for most people, the sheer number of women that he was with plus his huge stature are more important.
I also agree that Tiger has never considered himself Black, and that is why there has been very little support for him within the African American community. I see more morbid curiosity than anything else, which is pretty much what I see from society at large.
At that level, I guess the Woods situation is a "colorblind" scandal.
