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Tinnitus is NOT incurable!
- Thread starter Joe Nerve
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Physicians know a lot about diet. The problem is that for 99% of the population they get scared, change their diet for about a week and then they're back to their old ways.
Right on target, Joe! Indeed, as you pointed out, doctors get very little, if any, training in nutrition. Nutrition is the very bedrock of disease prevention (and in some cases, disease cures). As the father of modern medicine, Hippocrates, put it, "Food will be your medicine, and your medicine will be your food." This seems to have gotten lost somewhere along the way. While, if you break an arm you darn sure want to see a doctor, for many chronic conditions, doctors have little to offer besides symptom treatment with pills and procedures ... and they're pretty poor at helping patients prevent such diseases too. It's simply a matter of what their training is, which is partly a matter of ... where the money is. The money's in pills and procedures. Those things can be very useful indeed, but they're not the whole ballgame.
"Chiropractic was invented by D. D. Palmer, Sep 18, 1895 when he adjusted the spine of a deaf man and allegedly restored his hearing"
Ear candles ... chiropractics ... TCM, they are all too modern for me.
I'll stick with Science Based Medicine myself
Ear candles ... chiropractics ... TCM, they are all too modern for me.
I'll stick with Science Based Medicine myself
I think you’re greatly underestimating what doctors are trained in. Maybe they should find a book about ten things to do before you see your doctor and then they would be all caught up.
Despite playing in bands for 50 years, my hearing is still excellent, but I have serious tinnitus. I was a supervisor and safety director in a food manufacturing plant for 26 years. (I set up the annual hearing tests for all employees.)
One day, a whey dryer was down for inspection. In the main of the dryer, a huge, conical stainless thing, were two 140Hz air horns that produced 140dB of sound level at that 140Hz each. They would go off every 5 minutes for 10 seconds to vibrate the walls and keep whey powder from sticking to the walls.
The dryer was shut down for inspection, and I entered it to inspect it. However, the operator, a newer employee, had neglected to turn off the air horns, which went off while I was inside.
I could not hear for 10 minutes after. My jaw hurt for days from my clenching it involuntarily. I went in for complete hearing tests as this was an industrial accident.
My low end hearing shifted, making my bass and music sound different. This either went away over time, or I got used to it. I had bad ringing, which remains to this day. But I lost no hearing. I can hear fine, and test well, but it's accompanied with the ringing.
It stinks but it could have been worse. I could have lost my hearing.
One day, a whey dryer was down for inspection. In the main of the dryer, a huge, conical stainless thing, were two 140Hz air horns that produced 140dB of sound level at that 140Hz each. They would go off every 5 minutes for 10 seconds to vibrate the walls and keep whey powder from sticking to the walls.
The dryer was shut down for inspection, and I entered it to inspect it. However, the operator, a newer employee, had neglected to turn off the air horns, which went off while I was inside.
I could not hear for 10 minutes after. My jaw hurt for days from my clenching it involuntarily. I went in for complete hearing tests as this was an industrial accident.
My low end hearing shifted, making my bass and music sound different. This either went away over time, or I got used to it. I had bad ringing, which remains to this day. But I lost no hearing. I can hear fine, and test well, but it's accompanied with the ringing.
It stinks but it could have been worse. I could have lost my hearing.
- Oct 7, 2000
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I'll repeat that everyone is welcome to believe whatever they want. You're not obligated to agree with me.
The sarcasm isn't necessary...
I urge you to take a deeper look at how the medical community works. And who funds the universities. @TyBo summed it up perfectly:
But I realize that some people think this is some sort of conspiracy BS. I'll drop a little proof in here, and you can take it from there yourself. For your own sake I urge you to start researching with an open mind. You might be surprised, and one day it might very well save your life. Or help you heal from something that will otherwise seriously compromise your life.
"On average, students received 23.9 contact hours of nutrition instruction during medical school (range: 2–70 h). Only 40 schools required the minimum 25 h recommended by the National Academy of Sciences. Most instructors (88%) expressed the need for additional nutrition instruction at their institutions."
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And I'll add one more time that I don't hate doctors, nor avoid them. I go for yearly physicals. I often take their suggested treatments. I just understand their place in the big picture. I don't make them god, and don't deem them as the ultimate authority when it comes to MY body, my health, and my future.
The sarcasm isn't necessary...
I urge you to take a deeper look at how the medical community works. And who funds the universities. @TyBo summed it up perfectly:
But I realize that some people think this is some sort of conspiracy BS. I'll drop a little proof in here, and you can take it from there yourself. For your own sake I urge you to start researching with an open mind. You might be surprised, and one day it might very well save your life. Or help you heal from something that will otherwise seriously compromise your life.
"On average, students received 23.9 contact hours of nutrition instruction during medical school (range: 2–70 h). Only 40 schools required the minimum 25 h recommended by the National Academy of Sciences. Most instructors (88%) expressed the need for additional nutrition instruction at their institutions."
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And I'll add one more time that I don't hate doctors, nor avoid them. I go for yearly physicals. I often take their suggested treatments. I just understand their place in the big picture. I don't make them god, and don't deem them as the ultimate authority when it comes to MY body, my health, and my future.
BS? Maybe. Skewed perception based on personal beliefs is probably more where I’d lean.
I saw this coming pages ago. Too obvious. Now excuse me while I go slaughter a goat and read the entrails.
It's really not a "skewed perception" to say that doctors get little training in nutrition, that's simply a fact. Some schools require none, others a couple dozen hours, others somewhere in between ... it's simply not a big part of their training. And it's very well known that nutrition plays a large part in disease prevention, I don't think that's controversial - diabetes is one very clear example, where dietary habits are clearly linked to the disease. Like I said, this goes all the way back to Hippocrates.
Many of our leading fatal illnesses are impacted by diet - diabetes, as already mentioned, heart disease (doctors give dietary recommendations to patients who have that), strokes (related, obviously, to cardiovascular disease), high blood pressure (which can be related to kidney disease), cancer (the WHO has listed some foods as carcinogens), and others.
So ... this will be a little long. On a personal note, I can attest very directly to this matter of doctors and disease prevention and cure. I had a heart attack about 5 years ago, and had two stents put in, one for an almost fully blocked artery, and another for one that was substantially blocked. This was an effective intervention which may have saved my life. So, yay for "pills and procedures" on that score!
Subsequently, the cardiologist, and my regular physician, recommended a "Mediterranean Diet", and prescribed several medications. However ... after about a month, I began to have recurring chest pains, a daunting experience, as one might imagine. I was prescribed more medication, and told that the goal was to try and manage this incurable, progressive disease.
Fortunately for me, a friend gave me a book by Dr. Dean Ornish on preventing and reversing heart disease. Reversing! Not possible, according to the cardiologist. Hmm. I started following Ornish's recommendations, having nothing to lose. This mostly involved exercising regularly (as I'd already been doing, walking on a treadmill in cardiac rehab), and eating a very low fat plant based diet. And, lo and behold, the chest pains went away ... I dropped the meds for that ... and it became possible to exercise more vigorously ... my blood pressure dropped, my cholesterol levels went down ... . About a year later, my doctor was looking at my chart, kind of shaking her head and saying, "Boy, your numbers look really good ..." (They're not used to seeing that with heart patients). I said, "Yeah it's that Dean Ornish veggie thing I've been doing." She said, "Yeah ... most people won't do that." And I felt like saying, "Well, they won't do it if you don't TELL them about it!" (But I refrained.)
This is a direct example of the way in which doctors often get caught up with the pills and procedures in which they're trained, and can be blind to ways in which these diseases can be cured, and prevented in the first place. Cardiovascular disease is an incurable, progressive disease. No, it AIN'T! But they're not trained in this, and there's no money in saying, eat broccoli. That's not conspiracy, that's just medical economics.
As a footnote, at this stage, 5 years down the road, I've progressed to the point that I regularly run half marathons, and fears of another heart attack are way in the rear view mirror. It's been demonstrated in a number of studies that such recovery (though not always this dramatic) occurs when making the necessary lifestyle changes. Cardiovascular disease is a food borne illness. In so many words. And it's not just cardiovascular disease. That's the kind of prevention, and cure, that doctors are generally not taught. It's a real, easily identified thing. I'm grateful for the doctors' skill, and grateful to be alive. But I'm kind of pissed they didn't tell me how to fix things (my new doctor gets it, and is quite good in this area
).
Many of our leading fatal illnesses are impacted by diet - diabetes, as already mentioned, heart disease (doctors give dietary recommendations to patients who have that), strokes (related, obviously, to cardiovascular disease), high blood pressure (which can be related to kidney disease), cancer (the WHO has listed some foods as carcinogens), and others.
So ... this will be a little long. On a personal note, I can attest very directly to this matter of doctors and disease prevention and cure. I had a heart attack about 5 years ago, and had two stents put in, one for an almost fully blocked artery, and another for one that was substantially blocked. This was an effective intervention which may have saved my life. So, yay for "pills and procedures" on that score!
Subsequently, the cardiologist, and my regular physician, recommended a "Mediterranean Diet", and prescribed several medications. However ... after about a month, I began to have recurring chest pains, a daunting experience, as one might imagine. I was prescribed more medication, and told that the goal was to try and manage this incurable, progressive disease.
Fortunately for me, a friend gave me a book by Dr. Dean Ornish on preventing and reversing heart disease. Reversing! Not possible, according to the cardiologist. Hmm. I started following Ornish's recommendations, having nothing to lose. This mostly involved exercising regularly (as I'd already been doing, walking on a treadmill in cardiac rehab), and eating a very low fat plant based diet. And, lo and behold, the chest pains went away ... I dropped the meds for that ... and it became possible to exercise more vigorously ... my blood pressure dropped, my cholesterol levels went down ... . About a year later, my doctor was looking at my chart, kind of shaking her head and saying, "Boy, your numbers look really good ..." (They're not used to seeing that with heart patients). I said, "Yeah it's that Dean Ornish veggie thing I've been doing." She said, "Yeah ... most people won't do that." And I felt like saying, "Well, they won't do it if you don't TELL them about it!" (But I refrained.)
This is a direct example of the way in which doctors often get caught up with the pills and procedures in which they're trained, and can be blind to ways in which these diseases can be cured, and prevented in the first place. Cardiovascular disease is an incurable, progressive disease. No, it AIN'T! But they're not trained in this, and there's no money in saying, eat broccoli. That's not conspiracy, that's just medical economics.
As a footnote, at this stage, 5 years down the road, I've progressed to the point that I regularly run half marathons, and fears of another heart attack are way in the rear view mirror. It's been demonstrated in a number of studies that such recovery (though not always this dramatic) occurs when making the necessary lifestyle changes. Cardiovascular disease is a food borne illness. In so many words. And it's not just cardiovascular disease. That's the kind of prevention, and cure, that doctors are generally not taught. It's a real, easily identified thing. I'm grateful for the doctors' skill, and grateful to be alive. But I'm kind of pissed they didn't tell me how to fix things (my new doctor gets it, and is quite good in this area
).
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FYI Daily Mail article:
Study reveals 'resetting' brain cells using electric currents can alleviate the misery of phantom sounds
Study reveals 'resetting' brain cells using electric currents can alleviate the misery of phantom sounds
Here is another article about the same technique.
New Device Could Help Silence Tinnitus By Lightly Zapping The Brain
Unfortunately its a single experimental study with a small sample group.
Nothing to get overly enthusiastic about yet.
Nothing to get overly enthusiastic about yet.
