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tipflation, tip creep, and tip fatigue

I've also previously worked in restaurants, so I've always tipped in the 20% range. After the pandemic was over I noticed that people were suggesting that 20% is a low tip, but I'm not really understanding what has changed to make that so.

I tip actual servers in restaurants the same as always, more if the bill is small (because they still did the same amount of work and I still took up table space), and I tip delivery drivers well. Everyone else gets less than that. I do understand that wages are stagnant and people are working multiple jobs these days in order to make ends meet, but I'm not made of money and inflation is hitting me just as hard.
 
My dog wants a tip (in the form of a Beggin’ Strip) every time I take her outside and she does her business. When it is raining very hard outside, shouldn’t she be tipping me?

As for tipping human beings, I only tip servers in restaurants and only if the service is good and the person is friendly. When I leave a tip in such a scenario, I tend to be very generous - to the point where my wife complains that my tips are too generous.
 
This isn't necessarily about tipping low-wage employees but it's a funny tipping story.
Last time we were in Nashville Tennessee we went to a smaller music venue that had a cover artist singing songs and playing guitar all night,

For the life of me I can't remember his name but he was amazing, behind him was a chalkboard with songs written on them and dollar amounts beside the titles.
They were apparently all songs he was sick of playing, maybe four or five in total.

The one that sticks out was American pie for $1,000. And sure as hell some big table of drunk dorks pooled their money together and paid the $1,000, and it was one of the best versions of American pie I've ever heard
 
This isn't necessarily about tipping low-wage employees but it's a funny tipping story.
Last time we were in Nashville Tennessee we went to a smaller music venue that had a cover artist singing songs and playing guitar all night,

For the life of me I can't remember his name but he was amazing, behind him was a chalkboard with songs written on them and dollar amounts beside the titles.
They were apparently all songs he was sick of playing, maybe four or five in total.

The one that sticks out was American pie for $1,000. And sure as hell some big table of drunk dorks pooled their money together and paid the $1,000, and it was one of the best versions of American pie I've ever heard



That's GENIUS!

He advertizes to his audience that playing certain, hugely popular songs is actually a burden to him, and therefore, will require an upcharge should anyone request them.

I'll bet that he rakes in a lot of extra cash every night he does that.
 
Just about every non corporate chain store here has tips jars, liquor stores included.
I wonder if employers are using this as a potential spiff when hiring , and to avoid raising wages.

$7.25 and hour plus tips !

I agree tipping is out of hand.
Just raise your prices and pay your employees more.
 
Borrowing this from @GregC in the "Post a funnier picture..." thread:
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In general, yes the tipping thing is out of control. I got a haircut yesterday, paid with Apple Pay, and the minimum suggested tip was $5 on an $18 dollar haircut (seniors price).

But riddle me this. I habitually go to the same Starbucks every day. I usually order the same thing every time. The baristas greet me by name when I walk in the door. Often they see me parking and make my drink before I even get inside the store. When they’re slammed, sometimes they bump me up in the queue. How can I not tip them $1?
Tipping for above and beyond IMO is great. Expecting tips for lackluster service and a product is ridiculous.
 
Yeah, honestly, it's the pressure that sucks. You walk up to counter, place order, they tap a few taps on screen, then spin it around and the screen displayed is the dreaded tip screen. You then look up and they are standing there silently staring you right in the eyeball. Just sucks. Even worse, they hand you a bag and you walk out of establishment after throwing napkins, condiments, straws into the bag at the self serve station, oh yeah, the do it yourself soda machine too :roflmao:
 
In the past few years, I've noticed a seeming trend where the practice of tipping low wage employees for services has become more widespread among different types of businesses and also the recommended tip amount has increased.

I recently looked into this and discovered that this does represent a significant trend and it has its origins in the pandemic economy.

Here's one of many articles I found on the subject:
How "tipflation" and "tip creep" are sparking a backlash: "I don't feel obligated" to tip

A few bullet points:

-- At the height of the pandemic, altruistic consumers intentionally overtipped service employees as a philanthropic gesture to help them through the economic recession.

-- Businesses with auto pay type kiosks used the opportunity to program their machines to set higher "suggested tip" amounts, typically starting at 18% and often going as high as 40%.

-- Many businesses that were traditionally nontipping establishments, adopted automatic tip request practices during and after the pandemic, when inflation is at a decades long high, ostensibly to benefit their low wage employees, although it's no accident that additional tips naturally transfer a portion of the wage burden from business owners to their customers.

-- Many consumers are becoming very sensitive to this trend, and are beginning to rebel against the higher expected tip amounts combined with the increasing number of businesses that now request tips but didn't before the pandemic and are now apparently expecting tipping to continue indefinitely, long after the pandemic has passed.

-- Some consumers are genuinely angered about feeling guilt tripped into tipping when they're essentially self serving (such as at the self checkout lane in grocery stores), or bring subjected to poor service (such as at fast food restaurants and similar establishments where business are settling for the least skilled workers in the entire marketplace because they're paying thr lowest wages of almost any industry).


Personally, I'm reevaluating my former attitude about tipping. As a former restaurant worker myself, I've always tipped generously whenever I felt the wait staff deserved it. But, the circumstances have changed, and I'm no longer able to justify to myself being expected to pay significantly more than I ever have for goods and services that are already priced high due to recent inflation, as well as being expected to pay additional money for shoddy service or even no service at all.

This came to a head last week when I went with a friend to try out an upscale brewpub near us for the first time. The bartender was clearly incompetent at his job. He knew literally nothing about their craft brewed products but instead of admitting his ignorance he simply gave me false information that I suspect he made up on the fly. He was also uninterested in providing any service beyond pouring two glasses of beer from the tap, and he had a bad attitude about doing even that, informing me in a in a condescending manner that he wasn't going to bring drinks to our table and everything we wanted we'd need to come up to the bar and get it ourselves. For the record, there were only 3 customers in the entire place, including me and my friend, and the bartender was just standing there looking bored with nothing to do.

When I paid for the two 12 oz beers (a total of $15) the payment machine suggested I add an additional 20% or more as a tip. I entered $0 in the "custom amount" option.

For me to do that is extremely rare, and I've only ever done that when I was paying with cash and where the service was exceptionally bad. But, this particular time I decided I'd had enough of this and was going to rethink my tipping practices in this new reality.

So what do you all think? Is the tipping backlash justified? Or should we embrace the new reality and make automatic tips the preferred method of helping entry level workers make ends meet when employers won't increase their wages?

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I call shenanigans on this latest moral panic.

I don't see any place asking for tips that didn't ask before.

The big difference is that instead of a tip jar that is easy to miss or overlook, now they use payment touch screens which suggest tip amounts. Sometimes they'll nudge you to tip 18-20% as the default. But... If I'm paying $6.00 for a super-snazzy slice of pizza, the difference between a 15% and 20% tip is a stupendous 30¢. Big whoop.

As to your bartender story, how is that any different than 3 or 4 years ago? It isn't. There's always been an expectation in the US to tip your bartender, and yes some people don't tip when the service sucks.
 
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I agree that tipping on takeout and self-serve items is a stretch. But if it’s a business we enjoy frequenting, I’m happy to support it.

I can also say we’ve seen more fat tips in crispy Benjamins after post-pandemic gigs so I try to pay it forward for exceptional service as well.
 
I call shenanigans on this latest moral panic.

I don't see any place asking for tips that didn't ask before.

The big difference is that instead of a tip jar that is easy to miss or overlook, now they use payment touch screens which suggest tip amounts. Sometimes they'll nudge you to tip 18-20% as the default. But... If I'm paying $6.00 for a super-snazzy slice of pizza, the difference between a 15% and 20% tip is a stupendous 30¢. Big whoop.

I think it's well documented that there are many businesses that are actively requesting tips now which weren't doing so before the pandemic.

But that's only ⅓ of the equation.

The other ⅔ are drastically higher prices for goods and services due to current high inflation, especially in food and hospitality, and also a noticeable drop in quality of service because of the extremely low unemployment rate which makes the talent pool for good workers very small.

The budget pizza from the big chain carry out stores is now 30% - 40% more expensive than it was just 2 years ago, at the same time the service quality is at an all time low.

Yet the store has suddenly decided that the traditional tip jar on the counter isn't enough of a guilt trip so they've integrated the tip "request" into the automatic payment process.

Tellingly, you can't simply skip the tip "request". You'll either have to select one if the "suggested" amounts (like 18% or 25% or 40%), or else select "custom amount" and type in something else.

Some people have no qualms at all about selecting "custom amount" and entering $0.00 for a tip amount, but they're the minority. Most people are psychologically intimidated by the process and feel guilty about not tipping when being put on the spot like that. That's the whole point.




As to your bartender story, how is that any different than 3 or 4 years ago? It isn't. There's always been an expectation in the US to tip your bartender, and yes some people don't tip when the service sucks.

My point wasn't that this pub has an expectation of tipping the bartender. I worked in bars and restaurants for years and even tended bar, so I know how that's always worked.

The difference here is this particular bartender was so grossly incompetent at his job, had such a surly attitude, and even went out of his way to inform us that we'd be expected to perform most of the service ourselves.

All he did was pour two glasses of beer from the tap and set them on the counter, then tap a few buttons on his computer and point at the card reader in front of me so I can pay for my drinks and select a tip amount for this lazy jerk while he stares at me.

Because I did work in bars and restaurants I know full well how risky it is to offend the service staff. They can and do spit in your food and drink - don't believe for one second that it doesn't happen.

When everyone tipped by leaving cash on the counter or tossing it into a tip jar as you were leaving, you had the ability to evaluate the quality of service before deciding on a tip amount. That's the entire point of tipping for service. Good tips are the reward for good service. Better service results in bigger tips.

But when you're required to select a tip level at the same time you order, before any service has even been provided, then it virtually necessitates that you tip very generously, simply to motivate your server into providing good service, or even to entice him not to give you bad service

The problem should be obvious.

Tipping low, or not at all, may offend your server, resulting in poor service, perhaps even retaliating against you (like spitting in your food, or worse).

But tipping generously won't necessarily result in good service. You've already paid them for their service, regardless of how well or how poorly they perform after that.

In my anecdotal brewpub story, the incompetent, surly bartender has no motivation at all to provide good service. Before 2020, he had every motivation to do so. Back then, his earnings depended on it. Now they don't. He gets paid the same no matter how good or bad he is.

These are some significant differences that have transpired in only a couple of years and I believe that the "moral panic" you describe is justified, although I think of it more as a legitimate public, social criticism.
 
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I don't see any place asking for tips that didn't ask before.

The big difference is that instead of a tip jar that is easy to miss or overlook,
That tip jar never felt like an obligation, though. It was kind of a thing where if you had some loose change after your order, you'd drop it in if you felt like it. You could stick a dollar in if the person was friendly.
 
An old-school tip jar, and a tablet suggesting a high tip amount, are completely different issues to me. The latter is a very recent development that’s intended to be in-your-face. It’s the result of very increasing use of electronic payment vs cash payment.
 
This trend hasn't escaped my attention, and I'm not a fan. When I worked in food service fifty years ago, service employees were expected to earn their tips, and the split to bussers and bartenders from wait staff was 100% voluntary and very subjective; funny thing is, we worked much harder back then for our tips, and shares of tips, than they do today. Asking for a tip before service rendered is anti-customer, IMHO. And don't even get me started on employers who have madatory "tip pooling" and determine the distribution thereof, while claiming a share for themselves. :(
 
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I agree that tipping on takeout and self-serve items is a stretch. But if it’s a business we enjoy frequenting, I’m happy to support it.

I can also say we’ve seen more fat tips in crispy Benjamins after post-pandemic gigs so I try to pay it forward for exceptional service as well.
Yeah, i just want tipping to be MY idea, not forced on emotion...
 
Regardless of other outside factors like inflation or price increase, my view on tipping has remained the same. Good service=good tip.

If I call in an order and pick it up? No tip, I'm doing the heavy lifting, so to speak.

I don't use self checkout, if no lanes open with a human cashier I put the stuff down and leave without buying.
 
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Paying cash simplifies some of this as there is no "automatic payment" process. I hand you money, you hand me change.

I'm old, I'm cranky. I tip 15% at a restaurant. I rarely tip for anything else. There are exceptions, of course.

I rarely patronize the trendy places that are likely to have snotty Gen Z cashiers rolling their eyes at me when I break all the unspoken rules and rap out something like "I'll have a small cup of coffee, black, please" instead of whatever their grande-latte-pour-over-comb-over-hot-candy-bar-in-a-cup-du-jour item is that I'm supposed to order this week instead of a small cup of coffee, black.

One good thing about the "small cup of coffee, black" routine is that those places that have a senior discount, they instantly recognize that I'm eligible and apply it.

Yep, I'm old, I'm cranky, but it sure is fun watching youngsters try to figure things out and fail. Oh, they get SO upset!