TONIGHT SUCKED!!!!!!

[Bodeanly]

I would keep telling them I would be there and just never show up, but I'm an A-hole.

"My GPS says I'm here, but I don't see the place."

 

[J Gold]

If you agreed on money you deserve to get paid. Otherwise you have every right to quit.


It's tough making money playing originals. Luckily my 2 other high paying gigs offset the time and effort and lack of fair pay in my originals band.

It's Down for Days, btw

 

[pcake]

If you agreed on money you deserve to get paid. Otherwise you have every right to quit.


It's tough making money playing originals. Luckily my 2 other high paying gigs offset the time and effort and lack of fair pay in my originals band.

It's Down for Days, btw

he did get paid... there's a later post. the guitar player delivered last night's pay today.

 

[dbase]

Well if you know me, I would have eaten my pay with some bar food and drinks.... I would end up owing them money.

 

[74hc]

No trust me they are not that smart. They are the " we will play anywhere for nothing to just to get a gig to be seen and heard " types of people. They knew I will do the third gig. I played there in the past and it's my connection.

Make sure you keep your connection. If that establishment knows you as the contact, then keep it that way. You can use it for paying gigs for your current and future bands.

As to the new bass player, I would leave it alone and just wish him the best when you see him. Any issues of timely pay is between the BL and him only. Definitely take the high road there.

It sounds to me you are doing the right thing by moving on. It definitely sounds like there is a significant disparity between you and the band about playing for pay. I have no doubt you would be better served in another band that matches your belief here. Plus, you would very likely be happier which is what it's all about.... pursue happiness while getting paid. God, what a great country!

 

[JKB1957]

If they want you to play the third gig, tell them you will. But they need to pay you the money for the second gig and for the third gig in advance. Make it a business deal. They pay, you play. Keep the groove.

 

[Honch]

Wouldn't surprise me if they before the third gig, your last, comes up to you in the last minute and says "hrrmmm...we've found out that this is one of those P2P gigs, we have to pay to play..."

P2P.. beware of them gigs, especially originals band

 

[tbasstreble11]

Hi,

Honor your word, even if it's just so you can say to yourself that you kept your promise. Be true to yourself.

I played in an originals band in the 80s, lots of gigs at all the "in" spots of Hollywood and LA. I was a hired gun for a couple of really decent, talented guys. I always got at least $50 for a gig, even if it was out if their pockets. They always felt bad when that was all they could pay me. I didn't mind because they were good songwriters and fun to hang with.

I've seen your situation countless times with "originals" bands. Not all musicians and business people are created equal. Know what you're worth and set limits.

After hearing your story I'm embarrassed to tell you what I make for gigs. I turn down $100 gigs all the time. Know your craft. Carefully choose who you work with. I'd rather stay home and practice than play at what I know will be a bad gig.

Admit it. You've had these thoughts about this group from day one. Be true to yourself. Play music you like with people you like at gigs you like. Be glad you've invested only four months. I'm sure you will find a better situation soon.

Sorry, sometimes I'm just too old to sugarcoat it. But I love you, man.

Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff

This, right here ^^^

This is awesome

 

[Wavy]

I met my wife at the Starwood. We're still together after 38 years. A roadie and a groupie just like a movie.

Good thing you were roadying instead of bass playing or she might have not wanted to latch onto you.

It's been a long time for me, however I still remember the musician order of scoring groupies...

1. Singer
2. Guitarist or Drummer
3. Friends of Singer
   
4. Keyboardist
5. Horn Players
6. Roadies
7. and when none are left over...
   
8. Bass Player

 

[marmadaddy]

Hi,

Honor your word, even if it's just so you can say to yourself that you kept your promise. Be true to yourself.

I played in an originals band in the 80s, lots of gigs at all the "in" spots of Hollywood and LA. I was a hired gun for a couple of really decent, talented guys. I always got at least $50 for a gig, even if it was out if their pockets. They always felt bad when that was all they could pay me. I didn't mind because they were good songwriters and fun to hang with.

I've seen your situation countless times with "originals" bands. Not all musicians and business people are created equal. Know what you're worth and set limits.

After hearing your story I'm embarrassed to tell you what I make for gigs. I turn down $100 gigs all the time. Know your craft. Carefully choose who you work with. I'd rather stay home and practice than play at what I know will be a bad gig.

Admit it. You've had these thoughts about this group from day one. Be true to yourself. Play music you like with people you like at gigs you like. Be glad you've invested only four months. I'm sure you will find a better situation soon.

Sorry, sometimes I'm just too old to sugarcoat it. But I love you, man.

Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff

I have to respectfully disagree here. I honor my word right up until the other party breaks the contract in an egregious manner such as OP describes. At that point any obligations I may have had disappear. I would certainly be willing to help the new bass player out.

OP has no obligations to the band. They relieved him of them.

 

[lamarjones]

OP might want to put an edit on your first post since your 'slept on it and they came correct ' isn't on the first page. Unless you like reading the no longer relevant string of posts.

 

[EdO.]

My only comment is to the number of people who posted suggestions having not read the entire thread before commenting. This thread would have been half as long.

 

[StringNavigator]

...would hardly play anywhere if they insisted on a written contract...

Same in Canada. Bar Band contracts are unheard-of. Bring a contract form with you, and they'll laugh you out the door... In Toronto, you have to bring your own audience with you or you don't get the gig. That being said, there are plenty of bars who will pay you $100 for the band. Most of us (even the highly skilled) are hobby musicians who form a band of friends to play once a week to give the wife a break... perhaps a charity gig for a good cause. Those with a name still play for little more than gas money...

 

[gingerbassist]

I don't think you should play the third gig. They didn't hold up their end of the bargain, playing the third gig is like throwing more good money after bad. It cost you time and gas money to get there for nothing. Don't do it again, just be polite when you let them know you aren't playing with them again and do it right away so they can plan accordingly.

Why let them plan at all?The OP didn't expect this and wasn't able to prepare. You reap what you sow, and they have sown unpleasant surprises.

 

[BassCliff]

Hi,

I'm still trying to get my head around Bass Cliff playing in a big hair band at The Starwood or a skinny tie band at Lingerie.

I met my wife at the Starwood. We're still together after 38 years. A roadie and a groupie just like a movie.

Mugre

Ha! The brothers who fronted the band were nice, clean cut, Midwestern boys. Like Fogerty they wore plaid a lot. They wrote "thinking man's pop" music that was very musical with deep, clever lyrics. Of course that means they were doomed from the start.

I was the one with the big afro hair and loud clothes. This is not the band, but a picture from that era.

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I'm sure all the places we used to play are gone now, Madam Wong's, Coconut Teasers, The Central, The Palamino, etc. They were all P2P. It was fun but not lucrative.

Sorry for the sidetrack. Carry on.


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff

 

[bassbully]

Well call it poetic justice or karma but tonight I got an email from the venue owner where the band is to play next week. He said he made a scheduling error and asked if the band could reschedule for the following Saturday. I was floored and had to read it a few times to belive it.
This has never happened before at this venue or at any others in my years of playing. I was relieved to say the least. I thanked him for his past support and for reaching out to me.
I told him the band and I had parted ways and next weeks would of been my last gig with them. I told him I if they wanted to rebook the gig then it was up to them. I have not heard back yet from the venue owner but I'm out for the last gig.
I could not make this up...I'm still shocked that I got this email.
I'm going to email the band. I bet they don't believe a word of it but they can contact the owner and find out for themselves.

 

[Ox Boris]

"I'm not with that band any longer, call *** to cancel."

 

[cronker]

Same in Canada. Bar Band contracts are unheard-of. Bring a contract form with you, and they'll laugh you out the door... In Toronto, you have to bring your own audience with you or you don't get the gig. That being said, there are plenty of bars who will pay you $100 for the band. Most of us (even the highly skilled) are hobby musicians who form a band of friends to play once a week to give the wife a break... perhaps a charity gig for a good cause. Those with a name still play for little more than gas money...

That's as may be where you live.
In my part of the world, there is serious consequences with the taxman on both sides if either the venue or the band don't declare income.
Therefore most bands I know have a quick contract that just states times, venue and renumeration, along with our ABN. It's expected.

 

[s0c9]

It's all quite strange to me because I'm the band leader, and here in Australia, I wouldn't think to accept any gig without a signed contract between artist and venue. $$$$ guaranteed.

That doesn't happen in any bar/club I've ever played at in the US..
Corporate gigs, festivals and private parties.. yeah.. we have contract types for each.. but clubs.. they don't do that.. not in my experience.

 

[Ox Boris]

In Townsville, it's all on the nod. Contracts? Most of us don't own a pen. Only some of us own a shirt.