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Total Cell Phone Ban While Driving?
- Thread starter fourstringdrums
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Absolutely not.....the burden of proof lies with the state. Not me. It's guaranteed in the constitution. The officers "assumption" is not sufficient proof. They'll have to do better than that.
I dont have a need for medical marijuana
If you feel the need to make things personal, I can just as easily pay you no mind.
Please reread the post I made, as this is exactly what I stated. In your proposed scenario, the officer does not have sufficient evidence to cite you, therefore the officer is not likely to cite you for singing along to the radio.
So then, if guilt cannot be proven, it is unenforceable. What's the point of the law? To say we have it and make us feel better about ourselves?
Personal observation - I have never gotten close to being in a car accident while using a hands free. I have, however, gotten close to an accident while fiddling around with my CD player. So should CD players be banned? IME, they would be a more logical thing to ban than a cell phone because you can answer a phone without removing your eyes from the road. You can't (well, I can't) change CD's without removing my eyes from the road.
Regardless, these sorts of bans don't fix the problem. The problem isn't people talking on the phone while driving - it's stupid people talking on the phone while driving. A reasonable person can assess a driving situation and say, "I can't talk right now. I'll call you later." A foolish person, however, will continue to talk regardless of the safety risk they pose to themself or to others. Furthermore, a foolish person will still talk/text and drive regardless of any ban that may be implemented, thus increasing our safety... well... not at all.
Exactly. As I stated previously, this is a mostly unenforceable law.
Whats the point of it? To my best guess, possible deference. If people are under the assumption that they will be cited for using a cellular device, some people (not all) are likely not to do so as to avoid being cited.
The argument here is not about the dangers of distracted driving. It is about whether or not banning ALL wireless communication will fix the problem. Studies have shown that there has been no significant reduction in car accidents since imposing bans on cel phones when driving.
Who said guilt can't be proven? It just can't in the very exact case that you've made. There are plenty of ways that guilt can be proven, quite easily.
Personal attacks are the 1st choice for someone who cannot back their argument with data.............
Just sayin'
Several things come to mind here. First, correlation isn't causation, of course, and that's a very small sample size. Second, don't fiddle with the CD player while driving? I turn my changer on while I'm parked and rarely have to touch it while I'm driving--I might skip a CD, but it's very rare and I can do it at the light--whereas you have to answer a phone within a few rings. I'm also not continually distracted, as I would be if I was talking on the phone. The level of distraction is vastly different, IMO.
As for it not increasing our safety because some people will ignore it--you could say that about any law up to and including murder.
Exactly my point. A law can be put in place and it still won't stop everyone, or anyone for that matter (thinking of speeding laws), from breaking the law. And when there have been studies that show cell phone bans don't reduce the number of accidents I just can't see the point in implementing such a law - except for giving the government more ways to collect money.
Let's go back to CB radios.
Good point (even though said in jest)
Why are CBs not required to be hands free? Truckers use them all the time with no problem. What is the difference in distraction between a headset and a CB reciever in your hand?
EDIT: This guy in the pic isn't even looking at the road!!!!
Personal attacks are the 1st choice for someone who cannot back their argument with data.............
Just sayin'
Then go to the other thread.
Just pointing out that "proving a point" with the cop this way is a good way to waste everyone's time.
Are you pushing for murder laws to be repealed, then?
There's a difference between a law not stopping some people (pretty much always the case) and not stopping anyone (much more rare). Not seeing the argument there.As for the study that was linked, I'd like to look at it more closely. I did note that the authors still favor texting bans for everyone and banning all cellphone use for novice drivers.
Uncalled for....no relevance at all.
Sorry to make you so sad. I truly am.
No, not really.
Are you pushing for murder laws to be repealed, then?
As for the study that was linked, I'd like to look at it more closely. I did note that the authors still favor texting bans for everyone and banning all cellphone use for novice drivers.
Yeah, I don't know. I'm just skeptical whenever it comes to big brush bans on things like this. Likewise, I agree with banning texting, but talking on the phone seems like a bit of a stretch for a lot of people with hands free sets.
I think I speak for many when I say,
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??????
What other thread? proving what point? Huh?
