Tricks to memorize notes on fretboard

[monkeyfinger]

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[flannel cat]

i like this thread!..when i joined my first band i struggled with memorizing where the notes were unless i went through it slow,
though im getting quicker now ,i still have my blundering memory loss moments that i call ''sometimezhers''
whats been helping me is i always take some time and study the fingerboard chart and just play my bass daily.
i play everyday. If im on the couch watching the tube ive got a bass in my hands unplugged and just play notes and try to name every one, and check my chart to see if its right,and listen to what i hear..
one thing about this site its always teaching me something musically and im grateful for it!

 

[PTSD]

No hurt feelings whatsoever. I just don't buy the idea that creativity in something is damaged by deeper understanding and appreciation of that something.

No the point was when you take an abstract activity (composing music) and make it technical (music theory) that can, and in my experience, does , detract from how creative the musician is. All i was saying, and I do apologize if it was offensive to anyone - i know you say it's all good but just to anyone else reading this - is that in my experience, musicians who are self taught are in general more creative , and musicians who only play covers don't even have an outlet to be creative in, so certainly they are less creative, right? I mean that seems intuitive to me, but that just my opinion.

 

[PTSD]

Yes. When the subject is how to memorize something, and someone pops unbidden in with judgy mcjudgerson stuff about how playing anything other than your own composition is pointless, I'd say that's a pretty good derail.

New around here? Sounds like trolling to me.

Being new sounds like trolling? Why? I'm not a troll, I don't even think I know what a troll is if being new sounds like trolling. I wasnt the first person to question whether memorizing the fretboard was necessary, but you didn't call the other guys trolls. I think the reason being new sounds like a troll to you is that you pick on new people and call them trolls.

And I didn't judge anyone, I stated my opinion, that musicians who are self taught tend to be more creative and that music theory in general kills creativity. That's a subjective judgememt, sure, but its not a superficial prejudicial statement based on stereotypical accusations, it's a relevant opinion. Don't tell me no one ever expresses their opinion in posts here.. You are acting like I singled someone out or directly insulted someone,, and that's not even close to being true.. As I said,, the guy I was responding to did more to sow division than I did. My points were both relevant to the thread, that's probably why the moderators didn't shut down the thread when you summoned them.

 

[ProbablyTooLoud]

No the point was when you take an abstract activity (composing music) and make it technical (music theory) that can, and in my experience, does , detract from how creative the musician is. All i was saying, and I do apologize if it was offensive to anyone - i know you say it's all good but just to anyone else reading this - is that in my experience, musicians who are self taught are in general more creative , and musicians who only play covers don't even have an outlet to be creative in, so certainly they are less creative, right? I mean that seems intuitive to me, but that just my opinion.

How is composing abstract?
You create something concrete, whether you write it down or not.

I think that form and theory facilitate communication of the anarchic spirit of the creative subconscious to other humans.

Classically trained musicians aren't as creative as self-taught?

There are too many examples to list that counter that statement.

Musicians who play only covers have no outlet to be creative? Have you never heard a virtuoso on a violin or piano or a cello play a classical piece? Can you honestly say their creative expression is not genuine, true, beautiful human spirit embodied in music?

I came to this thread late and have not read all of the posts, but the ideas that you call intuitive are not intuitive to me, at all.

I'd ask you to consider the notion that form, technique, and theory can set you free, rather than limit you.

Anyways. I'm gonna get back to practicing rigid technique for a couple hours, then go to band practice and rock out with my c#ck out. Everything I work on this morning will contribute to bashing weird-a$$ prog sh!t on my way too loud bass.

 

[SteveCS]

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And I didn't judge anyone, I stated my opinion, that musicians who are self taught tend to be more creative and that music theory in general kills creativity. That's a subjective judgememt, sure, but its not a superficial prejudicial statement based on stereotypical accusations, it's a relevant opinion.
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Perhaps you could offer something in evidence?

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...in my experience, musicians who are self taught are in general more creative , and musicians who only play covers don't even have an outlet to be creative in, so certainly they are less creative, right?
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Oh man, this is so blinkered (and fundamentally flawed).

Composition, improvisation and interpretation are all basic but quite different skill-sets of the musician. The other main skill-set is, of course, being able to produce music from an instrument. Formally educated vs self-taught in playing an instrument has nothing to do with knowledge of theory. Except that most formal performance programmes won't accept students without a good grounding in the fundamentals of theory - I wonder why that might be? Maybe you are confusing theory with sight-reading? It is a common misunderstanding, but they are absolutely not the same thing!

I suppose my real point is that I object to the idea that creativity is the exclusive right of the self-taught. If all your music lessons gave you is a belief that creativity was somehow being curtailed then you either had a bad teacher or you never completed the course, IMHO.

 

[Rilence]

Awesome. Someone decided to pick this scab...

 

[LetItGrowTone]

It's a good thread. Let's keep it good and keep it going.

Amen my brother!

 

[BBQisgood]

Awesome. Someone decided to pick this scab...

Yup. Right after a good mod asked for peace.

 

[PTSD]

How is composing abstract?
You create something concrete, whether you write it down or not.

I think that form and theory facilitate communication of the anarchic spirit of the creative subconscious to other humans.

Classically trained musicians aren't as creative as self-taught?

There are too many examples to list that counter that statement.

Musicians who play only covers have no outlet to be creative? Have you never heard a virtuoso on a violin or piano or a cello play a classical piece? Can you honestly say their creative expression is not genuine, true, beautiful human spirit embodied in music?

I came to this thread late and have not read all of the posts, but the ideas that you call intuitive are not intuitive to me, at all.

I'd ask you to consider the notion that form, technique, and theory can set you free, rather than limit you.

Anyways. I'm gonna get back to practicing rigid technique for a couple hours, then go to band practice and rock out with my c#ck out. Everything I work on this morning will contribute to bashing weird-a$$ prog sh!t on my way too loud bass.

You're saying that music I not abstract? Of course it is.
Linear thinking is akin to logic, and non-linear thinking to creativity. Logic is an activity governed by our left brain, and creativity is an activity governed by the right brain.
Linear Thinking Vs. Non-linear Thinking: Decide Your Category

Therefore when you are being creative, that is abstraction and when you are memorizing symbols to represent sounds and encoding them on a staff, that is linear thinking.

 

[PTSD]

Perhaps you could offer something in evidence?



Oh man, this is so blinkered (and fundamentally flawed).

Composition, improvisation and interpretation are all basic but quite different skill-sets of the musician. The other main skill-set is, of course, being able to produce music from an instrument. Formally educated vs self-taught in playing an instrument has nothing to do with knowledge of theory. Except that most formal performance programmes won't accept students without a good grounding in the fundamentals of theory - I wonder why that might be? Maybe you are confusing theory with sight-reading? It is a common misunderstanding, but they are absolutely not the same thing!

I suppose my real point is that I object to the idea that creativity is the exclusive right of the self-taught. If all your music lessons gave you is a belief that creativity was somehow being curtailed then you either had a bad teacher or you never completed the course, IMHO.

Evidence of what, that the self taught guitar players I've played with over the years were better that those who weren't? I can't do that because the ones who weren't self taught never lasted in my bands , as I said to begin with. If you are talking about me, I can't do that either, because I am not self taught, which I also said from the begining.

 

[PTSD]

Yup. Right after a good mod asked for peace.

Let me get this straight, no one ever offers their opinions on this forum? Is this really the most controversial thing to ever happen on talkbass.com? You guys have really never had discussions like this? That's probably why you don't know how to discuss differing opinions peacefully. And it's apparently why, when I said some things prefaced by "in my opinion " I got responses form people with hurt feelings, as if I had directly criticized someone. How do you learn anything if you are unwilling to listen to anything that doesn't confirm what you already believe, if anytime someone states their opinion, if it doesn't translate to "you are a good bass player too my friend " everyone starts crying?

 

[BBQisgood]

Please,

take your argument elsewhere.

Thanks.

 

[monkeyfinger]

Enough is enough. Shutting it down.