True Bypass question

Discussion in 'Effects [BG]' started by behndy, Jul 22, 2009.

  1. behndy

    behndy Inactive

    Nov 1, 2008
    hey there. i was reading about True Bypass Tone Suck, and had some questions....

    01) it's the length of the cabling that matters?

    02) or is it the amount of pedals your signal is running thru?

    my pedal board right now is......

    (For Live) Line 6 DDS 2 Wireless ->
    EH Micro Q-Tron ->
    EH Bass Big Muff Pi ->
    Devi Ever Bit Legend ->
    Devi Ever OK ->
    Digitech PDS 1002 ->
    Line 6 DL4 ->
    Korg Pitchblack Tuner ->
    Tech21 Sansamp VT Bass ->
    Tech21 Sansamp Prog Bass DI

    .... almost all of them are connected by the coupler-style no-cord connectors, and the few that have cord add up to about 2 feet of cable.

    i don't think i hear anything wrong, but i don't exactly know what to listen for. am i doing anything stupid? i like the tones i get out of this setup, i just want to make sure i'm not setting myself up with a problem.

    oh yeah, lol, PLEASE don't say "read so-and-so's faq". i know they are out there, but it's nice to hear people's opinions on a specific setup.

    thanks much!

    -0behn desu0-
  2. behndy

    behndy Inactive

    Nov 1, 2008

    i think at 18 ft that you get the problem? so if i have a 10 ft cable going from the pedal board to my power amp and then a 10 ft cord from my bass to my pedal does that cabling lenght cause a problem too?

    thanks again.

    -0behn desu0-
  3. bongomania

    bongomania Supporting Member Commercial User

    Oct 17, 2005
    PDX, OR
    owner, OVNIFX and OVNILabs
    It all matters--length of cord, number of effects, the specific circuits in question, the way they are being powered (individually and as a group), the grounding system in your amp, whether there are any ground loops anywhere in your rig, and for all I know, the phase of the moon too.

    Here's the test: Plug into your pedal chain, and listen, with various fx engaged and disengaged. Occasionally unplug the chain and plug bass straight to amp. Then go back to the chain, with more listening and on/off switching.

    Are your highs "dull" or attenuated? How's the noise level? Do you have to adjust the input gain on your amp to get similar "strength" of signal/tone?

    If the answer to any of those is "yeah I hear something I don't like" then start experimenting with different numbers and arrangements of pedals in the chain, until you no longer hear something you don't like.

    One side note: those non-cable couplers seem like a great idea for cable length reduction, but they tend to cause damage to the jacks if you accidentally kick, drop, or push the pedal chain around.
  4. nad

    nad 60 Cycle Humdinger

    Sep 22, 2005
    I'd say you're fine then. :)
  5. moose23


    Dec 27, 2007
    Builder Moose23 Electronics
    The VT Bass is a buffered bypass so it will counteract any tone suck along the line of pedals.
  6. well, that depends where you place it

    i'm happy to see some discussion of this topic that doesn't turn flamewar. for more opinions on the subject, check out the current "what's your bypass ratio" thread
  7. Hookus


    Oct 2, 2005
    Austin, TX
    I just quit worrying about true bypass, tone suck, all that stuff. Fact is, it never has really been an issue for me in a band, performance, or recording session, that a halfway qualified sound man or engineer could not take care of.
  8. behndy

    behndy Inactive

    Nov 1, 2008
    cool. great answers all.

    no flamewar - THIS is why i love talkbass. i've started i think 5 or 6 threads, ALWAYS got helpful answers, never had to deal with asses, and every time i either learned something new or found out about a piece of equipment/way of doing stuff that i never heard of or thought of.

    you all rokk. ROKK.


    -0behn desu0-