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Trying to create a tone. Metalcore Bass.

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by NotJArnett, Dec 20, 2013.

  1. NotJArnett


    Aug 4, 2013
    Hey, I am in a Metalcore band, in the Cincy area, and as we start getting larger, I have been looking more and more into imrpoving my setup. Right now I play a Deluxe Active Jazz Bass in drop B tuning. My bass sound great, but I still have a beginner amp. I'm trying to get a really punchy sound, and I know that some metalcore bass players use an ampeg svtcl with an 810e. to be more specific, I litterally want the sound in this video.


    just skip to 1:14 in the video for the bass solo. I really feel overwhelmed by the information that is out there. Can anybody help?
  2. Mr. Foxen

    Mr. Foxen Commercial User

    Jul 24, 2009
    Bristol, UK
    Amp tinkerer at Ampstack
    That bass sound seems to be an attempt at getting the sound to be as little like a bass as possible. Line 6 gear should probably get you there. compressed to remove all the dynamics, bandpassed so its got no real lows or any top end. Chop out the low mids in the bit that gives girth, and the high mids that gives articulation, and the mid mids that gives presence, leave some distortion products in there so its still a sound.
  3. Hmm pretty much "I hate bassists so bury him!" is what I heard personally. Don't know how to tell you how to get there.
  4. NotJArnett


    Aug 4, 2013
    I looked into the band that does that video, and they recorded with Cameron Mizell at Chango stuidos. Mizell sells some pod farm tones for bass, so there that.
  5. Selta


    Feb 6, 2002
    Pacific Northwet
    Total fanboi of: Fractal Audio, AudiKinesis Cabs, Dingwall basses
    This is pretty much what I thought. "How can we bury the bassist but still make him feel OK with it?", "OH OH, I KNOW! Cheesy solo!"
  6. But it has to be real short OKAY? :)

    OP good luck on the search if that is what you really want. :cool:
  7. Mr. Foxen

    Mr. Foxen Commercial User

    Jul 24, 2009
    Bristol, UK
    Amp tinkerer at Ampstack
    I guess a tone processed to hide a total inability to play the instrument goes both ways.
  8. NotJArnett


    Aug 4, 2013
    What? that bass part is sick. Drop B bass sound sloppy AF when you try to make the low end powerful. you want the bass to have punch. Remember this isn't ska or alternative, this is metalcore. I play chugs, sweeps, pinches, or power chords.


    and example from my band
  9. vade700


    Jan 12, 2012
    oh jeez...

    ill just leave that here,, IMHO there are far many more exceptional bassists, in regards to tone and ability, out there that you could be looking at
  10. Don't get me wrong. I play metalcore as well, and I agree it needs to be tight, but there isn't a lot of point in playin drop B if there's nothing filling the low end. I'm not necessarily taking any one person's side on this. Just giving my two cents.
  11. Bassmec


    May 9, 2008
    Ipswich UK
    Proprietor Springvale Studios
    My Cous' Justin Thomas and his mate Brett Hester from the old Gridlock Studio at Casselberry formerly in partnership with Chango has also done similar sorts of radical bass production.
    Must be something in the water in that area of Florida.
    Maybe that's why they upped and moved to St Thomas US Virgin Islands.:D Drunk some Rum and Listen to some reggae spar!.
  12. webmonster


    May 19, 2013
    New Zealand
    In the OP's example it is very hard to discern the bass. Most of the low end has been given to synth and kick drums.
    It is a style where the drums and guitars hog the limelight. Certainly at the school where I teach, metalcore guitarists and drummers really struggle to find singers and bassists.

    Mostly guitar techniques that work best on guitar with lots of distortion.
    When you say drop-B are you truely dropping a regular set of .105-.045 strings?
    What distortion are you using?
    With such little low end as the example you might be better off using a guitar amp and effects processor.
    I can't imagine how an SVT & 810 would help get this sound.
  13. IncX


    Jul 23, 2007

    +1 to this.

    jason newsted fought so hard to not get that tone after ... And Justice For All


    TS, try listening to Mudvayne's 2nd album, cause that is a good example of how a dropped B or even a dropped A bass should sound. ryan martinie can play metal bass, and his tone shows us what he really sounds like.

    the link on the OP? ... not so much.

    edit: the bass solo was a total joke, it might as well have been a guitar or a synth on an octaver.
  14. Mr. Foxen

    Mr. Foxen Commercial User

    Jul 24, 2009
    Bristol, UK
    Amp tinkerer at Ampstack
    Only if you do it badly. Asking for advice usually doesn't aim for things you can try that will fail to work. General assumption is its more trying things that will probably work or better. You've set up the end goal here of what basically most people will consider a bad sound, and those with a bit of knowledge of studio techniques and production especially, will recognise as to why its bad and heavily engineered to try and work musically. Kind of like people trying to sing like the autotune glitch in that Britney spears song. Which is fine as a goal, but to reach the goal, you are going to have to not pretend it is something other than it is.

    You trying to sort a tone to add a bass part to this then? Plenty of space at the bottom.
  15. Are you sure that was a bass and not snythd? That sound comes from lots and lots of effects and processing for a sound that's not usable 99% of the time. I don't have any musical prejudices, but metal "core" isn't exactly a bass players band.
  16. SunnBass

    SunnBass All these blankets saved my life.

    Aug 31, 2010
    Columbia, Mo
    Yikes. I'm gonna just come out and say it, that "bass tone" in the link from the original post is awful. Over-processed, and awful. I really feel as though you could find a much richer sound that will still highlight your playing. Sounding like that gets lost in the mix and just sounds like clang and click. If that's what you're going for then well, more power to ya. But you might as well just buy a couple of different hammers, mic a piece of sheet metal (or and old truck wheel) and go to town.

    Also, don't take any of this personally.
    We're just trying to help, that's why you posted, so that's what we're doing.
    Without TB my gear would still be a f**king mess, I got bashed and flamed from time to time.
    But in the end it was all worth it.
  17. simenandreas


    Jan 23, 2011
    you should go for this sound:
  18. Jheake


    Jan 21, 2010
    Gilbert az
    Was gonna mention the bassist from Periphery. That guy has some amazing tone for that kind of music.

    Not my fav tone, but it works really well in that mix.
  19. Lol metalcore.
  20. The Regulator

    The Regulator

    Aug 10, 2005
    I think this sound would work :