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Tube simulation?

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by GreyBeard, Feb 19, 2008.

  1. Is it anymore than 1) touch of overdrive, 2) a bit of EQ, and 3) a smig of compression? I like them but none I've tried sound much like tubes to me. What do you think?
  2. Surly


    Feb 2, 2007
    South Florida
    I can get a bit closer, but never full on!!
  3. What do you do?
  4. Surly


    Feb 2, 2007
    South Florida
    Like you said, touch of [tube] overdrive and play with the EQ to add some warmth.
  5. bongomania

    bongomania Gold Supporting Member Commercial User

    Oct 17, 2005
    PDX, OR
    owner, OVNIFX and OVNILabs
    Some people claim that a nice transformer in the signal path, when saturated, will have some of the pillowy and fattened qualities of a tube amp. It is a very very subtle form of distortion, not gritty at all, but "thick" or "syrupy" (again though, it's subtle). I use this method by running an active xformer DI as a preamp, and I love the tone, but I'm not enough of a tube guru to say it "really" sounds like a tube amp.
  6. seamonkey


    Aug 6, 2004
    Modeling, plugins are all over recording industry. And companies like AU Audio and Digidesign can prove they're the same sound by nulling out a real signal with one from the plugin. They invert one signal sum them and leave no artifacts behind. AU Audio still makes hardware, well they can and some will never believe the software.

    It's a moving target though as the infamous Carver story shows. Tubes wear and change sound, and thread after thread on this board are about different sound between tubes. If it nulls today, it won't null tomorrow.

    One software package to keep an eye on when it releases is Peavey Revalver. It will let you build any amp configuration you want. Including sagging power supplies and transformers. Mom and Pop store Peavey go high tech, and in a big way.
  7. Surly


    Feb 2, 2007
    South Florida
    You could always try the good ol' Sansamp too.
  8. All that means is that they have a consistent algorithm; that is absolutely NO indication of emulation quality compared to the real thing. You can do that with any CD and editing software that will invert and mix. (Mp3's won't though ;) )

    Would that be the tired Carver quote you trot out every now and then where he says he doesn't like tubes? So what?

    So by referencing threads about changing tubes with different emission characteristics, you somehow think that justifies your dissemination about tubes that they're somehow inherently unstable? A tube circuit is no more inherently unstable than a transistor circuit, and that includes the soundcard needed to interface an emulator program. Matter of fact, over time, a tube circuit's high voltage power supply is much LESS susceptible to variation than almost ANY computer interface.

    Just thought I'd interject a little fact into your anti-tube propoganda... from someone who has and extensively uses tubes, transistors, and emulation software.
  9. :)

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