Tuner out - can it be turned off?

[arbiterusa]

Nah it was funny, no apologies are necessary. We're good.
Yes I'm just starting to play fretless and am just nervous that the first few rows can actually see when I havent hit the right pitch.
When the music sucks, the tuner gets rewarded with attention Heck of a feature.

As a fretless only guy, let me give you some advice. Don’t try to see if your playing is in tune by using a tuner. It simply will not work. You’re gonna have to learn to hear it. And feel it via muscle memory.

 

[Marko 1]

Maybe someone can educate me - I dont understand the benefits of a rack tuner vs floor (stomp) tuner. In order to use it, you’d have to turn around and look at your rig, wouldn’t you? Seems like it would be a problem if you needed a quick check, especially mid-song. FWIW, I use a pedal strobe tuner, always on. When I play upright (about 1/2 the time) I occasionally glance at it when doing a big position change (say coming down to the low G from high up
On the neck), but I try and avoid looking at it often.

I have an aversion to anything on the floor,

and if I feel like checking my tuning between sets, it's no big deal looking at it.

When I (rarely) use my rack (with rack tuner), I just like the cool little light show.

My heads have on-board tuners, as well...

but I typically use the Snark that's on the headstock.

 

[Hasty]

Maybe someone can educate me - I dont understand the benefits of a rack tuner vs floor (stomp) tuner. In order to use it, you’d have to turn around and look at your rig, wouldn’t you? Seems like it would be a problem if you needed a quick check, especially mid-song. FWIW, I use a pedal strobe tuner, always on. When I play upright (about 1/2 the time) I occasionally glance at it when doing a big position change (say coming down to the low G from high up
On the neck), but I try and avoid looking at it often.

Right now about 90% of my playing is trio/quartet on double bass and I'm definitely not using my rack gear for that. The biggest thing I take on those gigs is my AI TEN2. I either tune to the piano (if it's a real one tuned in A440ish) or I'll whip out the phone and use TE Tuner (a great app BTW). If I'm bringing my gig box for doubling gigs it's got a few effects on it and I added a polytune floor pedal to that setup.

When I was doing most of my playing with loud Big Bands, I was using the rack gear. We did lots of places where that setup made sense. On those gigs I didn't like putting anything on the floor of the stage, the trumpets would either drop something on it or maybe spill their beer during the last set (which always drove me nuts). This is where the rack and the rack tuner really shined for me... plus at the time I didn't have any sort of tuner and when I went to guitar center to look for something the Korg rack mounted Pitch Black tuner was on sale and cheaper than just about anything else available at that time and seemed to get good reviews, plus I like the irony of being a double bass player with a fancy kaleidoscope of activity going next to me while I played.

 

[KatKlysmik]

Right now about 90% of my playing is trio/quartet on double bass and I'm definitely not using my rack gear for that. The biggest thing I take on those gigs is my AI TEN2. I either tune to the piano (if it's a real one tuned in A440ish) or I'll whip out the phone and use TE Tuner (a great app BTW). If I'm bringing my gig box for doubling gigs it's got a few effects on it and I added a polytune floor pedal to that setup.

When I was doing most of my playing with loud Big Bands, I was using the rack gear. We did lots of places where that setup made sense. On those gigs I didn't like putting anything on the floor of the stage, the trumpets would either drop something on it or maybe spill their beer during the last set (which always drove me nuts). This is where the rack and the rack tuner really shined for me... plus at the time I didn't have any sort of tuner and when I went to guitar center to look for something the Korg rack mounted Pitch Black tuner was on sale and cheaper than just about anything else available at that time and seemed to get good reviews, plus I like the irony of being a double bass player with a fancy kaleidoscope of activity going next to me while I played.

The only other tuner I could find is a peterson but that costs twice as much. No fancy Christmas lights, I can turn it off and it uses a standard power cable. Someone suggested a used korg dtr1 which I am searching for locally.

Interestingly, I found an instrument cable by Daddario that has a built in on/ off switch that I could run between my head and tuner rack. Sweet. And no foot switch.

 

[beans-on-toast]

I have many tuners including bench, clip-on, floor, as well as phone, pad, and computer based. The ones that I like the best are made by Peterson. They offer features such as alternate tunings and metronome. The one that serves me the best is the Peterson StroboStompHD. If I could only have one, that would be it.

 

[KatKlysmik]

I have many tuners including bench, clip-on, floor, as well as phone, pad, and computer based. The ones that I like the best are made by Peterson. They offer features such as alternate tunings and metronome. The one that serves me the best is the Peterson StroboStompHD. If I could only have one, that would be it.



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Does that have the 'sweetened' tuning settings for bass? I've heard a lot about the brand.

 

[beans-on-toast]

Does that have the 'sweetened' tuning settings for bass? I've heard a lot about the brand.

Yes it does. You can also define your own tunings.

See the video for a good introduction.
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[S-Bigbottom]

Does that have the 'sweetened' tuning settings for bass? I've heard a lot about the brand.

That head is quite small and if you do not "need" to rack it then you do not need the Furman or the rack tuner.

Your Ampeg and the foot pedal tuner in a laptop bag around your shoulder is all you need.
Hands free load in!

No mute/switching pedal, it is on the tuner.
No Furman, plug the Ampeg into the wall or a floor power strip.
No rack to purchase and carry two handed to load in and out.
Just the $150 tuner that mutes and fits in a bag pocket.

 

[seamonkey]

As a fretless only guy, let me give you some advice. Don’t try to see if your playing is in tune by using a tuner. It simply will not work. You’re gonna have to learn to hear it. And feel it via muscle memory.

+1

Currently, tuners aren't fast enough for real time bass playing anyhow.

Interesting tidbit of information ...

The latency of electronic tuners for low bass frequencies is typically much higher than the latency of human hearing for low bass frequencies. We're talking millisecond or two for humans, and up to seconds for typical tuners. This is because electronic tuners typically use a method called autocorrelation to determine the pitch of a sound. Autocorrelation is a statistical method that requires multiple samples of the sound to be processed. This can take some time, especially for low bass frequencies, which have long wavelengths.

Human hearing, on the other hand, uses a different method to determine the pitch of a sound. Human hearing uses the place theory and the temporal theory, which are both much faster than autocorrelation.

The latency of electronic tuners for guitar frequencies is typically much lower than the latency of human hearing for guitar frequencies. This is because guitar frequencies are higher than bass frequencies, and they have shorter wavelengths. This means that autocorrelation can be used to determine the pitch of guitar frequencies more quickly.

Pitch to midi for bass guitars is currently slow and unreliable because of the latency of electronic tuners. However, as neural networks continue to develop, it is likely that they will be able to overcome this latency and make pitch to midi for bass guitars more accurate and reliable.

Overall, the latency of human hearing and electronic tuners for different frequencies of sound is entirely backwards. Human hearing is faster for low bass frequencies, while electronic tuners are faster for guitar frequencies. However, as neural networks continue to develop, it is likely that they will be able to overcome this latency and make pitch to midi for bass guitars more accurate and reliable.

 

[KatKlysmik]

That head is quite small and if you do not "need" to rack it then you do not need the Furman or the rack tuner.

Your Ampeg and the foot pedal tuner in a laptop bag around your shoulder is all you need.
Hands free load in!

No mute/switching pedal, it is on the tuner.
No Furman, plug the Ampeg into the wall or a floor power strip.
No rack to purchase and carry two handed to load in and out.
Just the $150 tuner that mutes and fits in a bag pocket.

The Furman doesnt have to be in a rack. I could shove it into my backpack. I've read about these class D heads blowing their internal fuses and just want to protect mine a little.

But what you said makes a lot of sense. I totally forgot about the weight of all the gear. Being able to move it all in a single trip from the car to the gig is safer too. So nothing gets stolen while I'm gone. Thanks for sharing!

 

[DigitalMan]

Tuners generally don't track quickly enough to display anything meaningful when you're playing. The most retentive bass player in the audience won't be able to decipher what is going on.

Just ignore it and consider it part of the light show.

 

[agedhorse]

The Furman doesnt have to be in a rack. I could shove it into my backpack. I've read about these class D heads blowing their internal fuses and just want to protect mine a little.

But what you said makes a lot of sense. I totally forgot about the weight of all the gear. Being able to move it all in a single trip from the car to the gig is safer too. So nothing gets stolen while I'm gone. Thanks for sharing!

The Furman provides no real world protection above what is already built into amps that meet the EU EMC regulations. It also won’t protect against design deficiencies that plague some amps.

If the internal fuse fails, there is a significant fault issue with the amp.

 

[S-Bigbottom]

The Furman doesnt have to be in a rack. I could shove it into my backpack. I've read about these class D heads blowing their internal fuses and just want to protect mine a little.

But what you said makes a lot of sense. I totally forgot about the weight of all the gear. Being able to move it all in a single trip from the car to the gig is safer too. So nothing gets stolen while I'm gone. Thanks for sharing!

+1 To what Mr. Agedhorse said above about the Furman.
Just plug your amp into the wall, it was not wall power that failed these amps.

 

[Jeff Scott]

Thanks for the tip. I'll check out the dtr-1 too.

I used to have two of them; they are excellent tuners. I sold one when I got my Stroboflip but still have the other one.

 

[Jeff Scott]

Every time I've had a rack tuner setup going, band members and audiences alike enjoyed the lights going back and forth, Knight Rider style.
FWIW, though... those people tend to be high a lot, so blinking lights are quite entertaining to them.

So, it was you who was staring at my amp at that gig!

...Strings get pulled out of tune...

What?!?!?!?

Maybe I was pulling it into tune?

 

[Jeff Scott]

That head is quite small and if you do not "need" to rack it then you do not need the Furman or the rack tuner.

With the exception of the Walter Woods I had that was racked most of the time, any other small amp was just sitting on top (usually) of my cabs with the tuner either on top or to the side of it.