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Tuning a bass in fifths.

So I have been messing around lately with tuning my bass CGDA (an octave below the cello) and I really like the openness of fifths tuning, but I never keep the tuning this way for too long because I don't really want to hurt my basses by keeping the string tension all out of wack.

I know this is not a really common procedure, but what is my best bet with setting a bass up like this with doing minimal modifications to the bass itself? I'd really like to not spend a whole lot on a new bridge and nut and etc, but if I do need to I probably will.

Any suggestions?
 
You mean CGDA, yes? Interesting, I've thought about doing that, esp. with a short scale bass. If you pick and choose from different sets of strings, different gauges, then you shouldn't need to file the nut slot too terribly much. Make sure your truss rod is up to it, and hopefully the extra stress on the neck won't be much of an issue.
 
I've been using this tuning exclusively since 1998. I use super heavy strings: 135,105,75,45. If you're looking for a more reasonable tension, I'd suggest: 125,95,65,35. You will most likely need to make or cut down your existing nut, and a setup may be in order. Each bass responds differently to tension changes, so there's no cut and dried easy answer as to what you're getting yourself into.
 
I've been using this tuning exclusively since 1998. I use super heavy strings: 135,105,75,45. If you're looking for a more reasonable tension, I'd suggest: 125,95,65,35. You will most likely need to make or cut down your existing nut, and a setup may be in order. Each bass responds differently to tension changes, so there's no cut and dried easy answer as to what you're getting yourself into.

I'm pretty sure I know the answer to this question already, but do you find these gauges from a factory in a set, or just buy single strings?
 
Id be powerfully tempted to get one of those nice but inexpensive ESP Ltd F series four string basses for that. Designed to be ready out of box for 5 strings B-D strings. 35" scale. Use lightgauge 5 string set so the B tuned up to C isnt to tight. 125 or maybe 120 gauge B string for it?
 
It's my understanding that NS has a fifths set for their Omnibass (formerly bass-cello) that are standard 34" scale.

They might be flatwound...

I thought about FCGDAE for a second, but just for a second.
 
Stringed instruments concerned primarily w. melody are tuned in fifths, because it keeps common melodic lines in an area that doesn't require much change positions. Those concerned w. harmony and playing chords are tuned in fourths so triads are easy to finger.

Originally the double bass WAS tuned like a cello only an octave lower, as the bass, being a new instrument which hadn't developed its own "voice" yet, typically doubled the cello parts.

I suppose the best way to decide on which tuning is best for you is to consider the way you approach constructing bass lines -- do you play around chord structure primarily, or are you building counterpoints to the melody?

Being such a (relatively) new instrument as far as western instruments are concerned, I don't think anyone can truly argue what the "right" tuning is with a significant amount of authoritativeness.

Do get it reset up soon, though, if you decide to stick with the new tuning... although, that goes without saying.

Edit: This is a response to those w. headaches... not necessarily the OP.
 
I did this for a few months on a Jazz bass. Like has been posted: use a B string for C, I'd go thicker to maintain tension on that side of the neck. Thicken up the A string too, as dropping it to G will benefit from it. {skipping D string} For the A, this is where it got tricky for me. Within the span of four strings, we're verging on the gauge difference across a six string. Such an endeavor certainly plays with the neck dynamics, and many necks are shaped conversely (as in if they are asymmetrical, the meat is behind the E and A strings). The converse is the added tension from which the higher strings usually comprise higher tension anyway, so the thinner side of the neck is under more load. To compensate, you could go with thinner strings (or strings with a thinner core for the higher strings, and a thicker core for the lower strings). This would certainly be a very "by the string" set composition.

The D string would be dependent on your taste, the composition of the rest of the set, and availability.

Beyond that and the havoc of individual neck dynamics, we're getting into somewhat uncharted territory as far as the rest of the setup goes. Anyone seen the cross section of a cello fingerboard? It's nothing like the vast majority bass finger/fret board derivations (I can't think of one, but that doesn't mean they don't exist).

Then there is the tone balance. What I noticed, as would anyone, is the ease of which playing across the board results in a dramatic thinning of the sound when playing from low to high. Combine that with the reach needed to make not only the chord shapes that do transfer over with the oddities of playing scales, and you've got one hell of a beast on your hands. If there ever were a place for multiscale fanned frets, this takes the cake. Still, many chords are lost. Many unique combos are attained.

To be honest, playing in this tuning made me think very differently. It didn't suit playing most standards, whatever that means. I suppose what I mean by that is I found many basslines I knew to be a pain to play in this tuning. That does in no way make it a bad tuning. It just takes a different approach, one that I suppose even a real cellist would break into a sweat over. I firmly believe it has a place, though. I don't know why. This is one of those demons that has its place among us, IMO.
 
There's an article in the last issue of (french) Bassiste Magazine with an interview of Jannick Top (legendary french sideman, also known for his work with Magma and a few solo albums), who tunes his bass in fifths due to his originally being a cello player.

I'll have to dig it out to check what string gauges he uses exactly, but I recall he agrees with you guys on the "use a B string for the C" issue.