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Two 4x10 cab setup with Eminence Delta 10A Speakers

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frankthetank727

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Hello,

I am currently re configuring my bass rig and I have been considering having two custom 4x10 cabinets made and I was trying to decide on speakers. I've heard great things about these Eminence Delta 10A speakers but I was curious on people's opinions here. Specifically, I play metal and was wondering how the bass response on this would sound with 8 of these speakers running together. I like to have the deep rumbly sound, but I still need plenty of clarity and volume in the upper registers as well. I am running a Fender Bassman Pro 300w Tube Head. I plan to run this with two 8 ohm cabs (netting a 4 ohm load)

I previously had a Mesa 4x10 Powerhouse (older model) and was having trouble getting a sound I liked out of it. The speakers would fart often and I wasn't able to get the sounds I liked out of it. I'm sure a second Mesa cab itself would help, but I am still not that huge on the cab's sound regardless. And its only 600w as opposed 1400w per cab (2800w total) I would get from this new configuration. If anyone has any suggestions as to whether or not the Delta's are good, or if I should look into some others, please let me know. I am somewhat of a noob when it comes to actual speaker models and brands.

Thanks!
 
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frankthetank727 said:
Hello,

I am currently re configuring my bass rig and I have been considering having two custom 4x10 cabinets made and I was trying to decide on speakers. I've heard great things about these Eminence Delta 10A speakers but I was curious on people's opinions here. Specifically, I play metal and was wondering how the bass response on this would sound with 8 of these speakers running together. I like to have the deep rumbly sound, but I still need plenty of clarity and volume in the upper registers as well. I am running a Fender Bassman Pro 300w Tube Head. I plan to run this with two 8 ohm cabs (netting a 4 ohm load)

I previously had a Mesa 4x10 Powerhouse (older model) and was having trouble getting a sound I liked out of it. The speakers would fart often and I wasn't able to get the sounds I liked out of it. I'm sure a second Mesa cab itself would help, but I am still not that huge on the cab's sound regardless. And its only 600w as opposed 1400w per cab (2800w total) I would get from this new configuration. If anyone has any suggestions as to whether or not the Delta's are good, or if I should look into some others, please let me know. I am somewhat of a noob when it comes to actual speaker models and brands.

Thanks!
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For not a TONNE more money, you could check out the Deltalite 450A-4s on US Speaker. Seem pretty solid. If you did four of the 8 ohms in each cabinet you could get two 8 ohm cabs meaning together they would be 4 ohms. Pretty much the best option for what you want if you ask me!
 
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frankthetank727 said:
Hello,

I am currently re configuring my bass rig and I have been considering having two custom 4x10 cabinets made and I was trying to decide on speakers. I've heard great things about these Eminence Delta 10A speakers but I was curious on people's opinions here. Specifically, I play metal and was wondering how the bass response on this would sound with 8 of these speakers running together. I like to have the deep rumbly sound, but I still need plenty of clarity and volume in the upper registers as well. I am running a Fender Bassman Pro 300w Tube Head. I plan to run this with two 8 ohm cabs (netting a 4 ohm load)

I previously had a Mesa 4x10 Powerhouse (older model) and was having trouble getting a sound I liked out of it. The speakers would fart often and I wasn't able to get the sounds I liked out of it. I'm sure a second Mesa cab itself would help, but I am still not that huge on the cab's sound regardless. And its only 600w as opposed 1400w per cab (2800w total) I would get from this new configuration. If anyone has any suggestions as to whether or not the Delta's are good, or if I should look into some others, please let me know. I am somewhat of a noob when it comes to actual speaker models and brands.

Thanks!
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Are you seriously wondering if two 410s w/Delta 10s will be enough? Really? It'd be massive.

But for the same money (or just a tad more maybe), you could do two 15/6 boxes w/Eminence 3015LFs & either the 18Sound 6ND410 or Faital M5N8-80 mid-range. These would be at least the volume of the 2x410s & be much smaller/lighter. Or you could do a single 1515/66 which would cost a bit less because it'd be 1 box rather that 2. For me, I'd do the 15/6s or 1515/66.
 
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Avatar :meh: .

The box is as important as the drivers. A well designed/executed one can make so-so drivers sound pretty good, good drivers sound excellent, & superior drivers sound out-of-this-world.

And the opposite applies.
 
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iualum said:
Are you seriously wondering if two 410s w/Delta 10s will be enough? Really? It'd be massive.
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I know it would ENOUGH, haha. I meant in terms of the actual response of that amount of speakers of that particular type. Because I still need pretty good definition and detail (I play fast sort of techy metal) but I also wanted the lows to be pretty deep as well because we do have parts where it needs to sort of punch you in the chest. I guess I was looking more for some comments along those lines of how those speakers would allow that.

I also was looking around and saw that the Ampeg SVT 410-HLF has speakers that have a very wide range and also go very low -- would speakers along those lines be much better? I'm not even sure if I have seen speakers with that kind of frequency response that aren't custom tailored for a brand like that.


SBsoundguy said:
I have an avatar b410 with deltas. I loathe it. No booty whatsoever. For the money you're going to invest into the speakers themselves get a rumble 410. It stomps my delta.
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Interesting...I'm currently talking with a custom cab builder who said he usually puts the Delta Pro 10A ([Invalid or Expired Link Removed]) speakers in his bass cabs and he said with my head plus the 2x410 at 4 ohms i would have "pummeling low end". So, not sure what to think here...
 
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A larger voice coil allows a speaker to handle more heat & accept greater RMS. Over the course of a night's playing, especially if the driver(s) are pushed, they'll take diminished RMS, but it's not a radically smaller amount. That's my rough understanding at any rate. Anyone else, please comment.

With 8 of them, though, very doubtful that it'd make too much real world difference. Was just playing devil's advocate.

And, again, they sure have a nice price :) .
 
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Eminence 2x15 is what I used in my home made ported bass cab, run it with a Behringer BXX4500h 450 2 channel amp.....LOVE IT.






frankthetank727 said:
Hello,

I am currently re configuring my bass rig and I have been considering having two custom 4x10 cabinets made and I was trying to decide on speakers. I've heard great things about these Eminence Delta 10A speakers but I was curious on people's opinions here. Specifically, I play metal and was wondering how the bass response on this would sound with 8 of these speakers running together. I like to have the deep rumbly sound, but I still need plenty of clarity and volume in the upper registers as well. I am running a Fender Bassman Pro 300w Tube Head. I plan to run this with two 8 ohm cabs (netting a 4 ohm load)

I previously had a Mesa 4x10 Powerhouse (older model) and was having trouble getting a sound I liked out of it. The speakers would fart often and I wasn't able to get the sounds I liked out of it. I'm sure a second Mesa cab itself would help, but I am still not that huge on the cab's sound regardless. And its only 600w as opposed 1400w per cab (2800w total) I would get from this new configuration. If anyone has any suggestions as to whether or not the Delta's are good, or if I should look into some others, please let me know. I am somewhat of a noob when it comes to actual speaker models and brands.

Thanks!
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iualum said:
A larger voice coil allows a speaker to handle more heat & accept greater RMS. Over the course of a night's playing, especially if the driver(s) are pushed, they'll take diminished RMS, but it's not a radically smaller amount. That's my rough understanding at any rate. Anyone else, please comment.

With 8 of them, though, very doubtful that it'd make too much real world difference. Was just playing devil's advocate.

And, again, they sure have a nice price :) .
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Good information, thanks! And I never mind a little Devil's Advocate. It's a big commitment going custom, so I welcome all opinions so I can weigh my options properly. Truly appreciate your insight!
 
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I have those Dayton drivers in both of my Carvin brx10.2 cabs. Both cabs were aquired with blown neo drivers, both from different users. Anyway, the Dayton drivers work EXTREMELY well in those boxes. I could not be more pleased.
 
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frankthetank727 said:
Interesting...I'm currently talking with a custom cab builder who said he usually puts the Delta Pro 10A ([Invalid or Expired Link Removed]) speakers in his bass cabs and he said with my head plus the 2x410 at 4 ohms i would have "pummeling low end". So, not sure what to think here...
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My gripe with a Delta wouldn't be the amount of low end you could get out of them - with eight of them, at I think 3.5 mm of excursion, you'll definitely get enough with eight of them. My gripe would be that they would be very mid-forward, if you want good low-end you'd need to cut a lot of mids. With their high-sensitivity and decent excursion, you'll definitely get loud enough though.

frankthetank727 said:
Also, does anyone have experience with these speakers? They actually look pretty good to me

Dayton Audio PA255-8 10" Pro Woofer
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Dayton seems very good with home audio - if I didn't get some celestion mids for ten bucks apiece for some computer speakers that I wanted to build, I would have gone with some Dayton's. I've heard that their PA speakers are good for the price as well.

iualum said:
With 8 of them, though, very doubtful that it'd make too much real world difference. Was just playing devil's advocate.

And, again, they sure have a nice price :) .
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basically this, I would think that the Deltas would outperform the Daytons, but I really don't know that for sure, and I'm really not sure about how much they'd outperform them. If one could measure exact performance per dollar, perhaps based on measured max-SPL divided by price or something, it might be a different story.
 
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pie_man_25 said:
My gripe with a Delta wouldn't be the amount of low end you could get out of them - with eight of them, at I think 3.5 mm of excursion, you'll definitely get enough with eight of them. My gripe would be that they would be very mid-forward, if you want good low-end you'd need to cut a lot of mids. With their high-sensitivity and decent excursion, you'll definitely get loud enough though.
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Unquestionably. Same for the Daytons, I'm sure.
 
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Thanks guys....talked with my cab builder again and he said he's used custom Deltas that are actually a bit different from the ones I had posted initially. He said he had built a cabinet for a client that had the same amp head I was using and the result was "crushing".


pie_man_25 said:
My gripe with a Delta wouldn't be the amount of low end you could get out of them - with eight of them, at I think 3.5 mm of excursion, you'll definitely get enough with eight of them. My gripe would be that they would be very mid-forward, if you want good low-end you'd need to cut a lot of mids. With their high-sensitivity and decent excursion, you'll definitely get loud enough though.
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For me, this isn't a terrible thing. My tone is near flat, usually boosting a little bit in the low and high-mid range to cut through the mix. My guitarist's have a very mid-heavy tone with not that much low end so I am usually cutting mids anyways as to not interfere with their frequencies. The bulk of my tone comes from the low (which fills out the bottom end that the guitars don't really have) and the really high (so the detail of my bass lines can still cut through above the guitars).

Again, thank you everyone so much for your input. I believe I am going to go with the Deltas.
 
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iualum said:
Unquestionably. Same for the Daytons, I'm sure.
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I forgot to mention that you're also right about the fEARfuls, they objectively outperform "traditional" stuff in a lot of measurable ways. The hi-fi tone isn't for everyone though. I kept saying that I was going to build one or two for myself, or maybe a BFM jack or two, but I couldn't outright sell my older bass amp, so I traded it in for a used epifani 212 and a yorkville 115 at long+mcquade, who oddly enough didn't have it in when I returned a month later for strings - it went that quickly. The epie is not quite a fearful with its upper mid dip, but it's lighter and still kicks low-end like you wouldn't believe.
 

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