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UBER 212 or NEOX 212T ???

#22
hasbeen said:
hi Gents- just quick "design thought element". .....NeoX vs. Uber.

With the Uber series, we were trying to get the benefits of Neo (weight and power handling), combined with the more traditional sound of ceramic cabs (organic, warm, fat, grunt).

To my ears, it seemed that many neo cabs have a certain mid-honk in them. We did the best we could to eliminate that.
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Well whatever you guys did - it worked. The UBER 212 doesn't sound like any NEO cab I've ever played through.

Good Job!

Yep, I sound like a "fanboy", who cares!!
 
#23
hasbeen said:
With the Uber series, we were trying to get the benefits of Neo (weight and power handling), combined with the more traditional sound of ceramic cabs (organic, warm, fat, grunt).
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Whew! I'm glad I went with NEOX cabs then. My '62 reissue Jazz Bass with flats and Duncan Antiquity pickups pretty much brings the NEOXs down to the point where they sound nice and bouncy, and lo-fi enough for my alt.country band. Wouldn't want to risk going with the Ubers and being too low-fi, or having to change my instrument.
 
#24
hasbeen said:
hi Gents- just quick "design thought element". .....NeoX vs. Uber.

With the Uber series, we were trying to get the benefits of Neo (weight and power handling), combined with the more traditional sound of ceramic cabs (organic, warm, fat, grunt).

To my ears, it seemed that many neo cabs have a certain mid-honk in them. We did the best we could to eliminate that.
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Yeah, I can relate...I won't mention any names but they have yellow cones ;) I thought it was less the driver and more the cab size (or lack of it), though. Care to shed some additional light?
 
#25
JimmyM said:
Yeah, I can relate...I won't mention any names but they have yellow cones ;) I thought it was less the driver and more the cab size (or lack of it), though. Care to shed some additional light?
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well, frankly, almost every neo 4x10 on the market had a high-mid honk to my ears. Even our Neox-212T sounds a little mid "prominent" to me.

One of my main bassses is a Ken Smith, which has lots of mids. Also, I do a lot of slap, which can make high-mids particularly "clanky". Lastly, to be quite honest, we were trying to spec out a cabinet for Marcus Miller when we designed the Uber 4x10.

We worked a LOT on getting some low-mid grunt out of the 4x10. Randy Jackson visited our shop one day. ..for most the day, going through different rig combinations. What he like the most was a Neox-212T on the bottom (lying on its side) and an Uber 4x10 on top.

We didnt' have an Uber 2x12 as this point and decided that we needed one. The GBE1200, 4x10 and 2x12 became our "Randy Rig".

When we put the 2x12 into an Uber configuration, we worked to make it sonically different from the NeoX.

That's the history.
 
#27
hasbeen said:
well, frankly, almost every neo 4x10 on the market had a high-mid honk to my ears. Even our Neox-212T sounds a little mid "prominent" to me.

One of my main bassses is a Ken Smith, which has lots of mids. Also, I do a lot of slap, which can make high-mids particularly "clanky". Lastly, to be quite honest, we were trying to spec out a cabinet for Marcus Miller when we designed the Uber 4x10.

We worked a LOT on getting some low-mid grunt out of the 4x10. Randy Jackson visited our shop one day. ..for most the day, going through different rig combinations. What he like the most was a Neox-212T on the bottom (lying on its side) and an Uber 4x10 on top.

We didnt' have an Uber 2x12 as this point and decided that we needed one. The GBE1200, 4x10 and 2x12 became our "Randy Rig".

When we put the 2x12 into an Uber configuration, we worked to make it sonically different from the NeoX.

That's the history.
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Well fortunately the mid honk can work very well for some people. I honestly never minded it. Kicked in a mix to be able to hear yourself, though I can see where some could hear it as "not pretty". Thanks for the back story, Roger.
 
#28
JimmyM said:
Well fortunately the mid honk can work very well for some people. I honestly never minded it. Kicked in a mix to be able to hear yourself, though I can see where some could hear it as "not pretty". Thanks for the back story, Roger.
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no problem...glad to give you the history.

I agree with the mids.....they do help a cab sit in the mix quite well. That's why we kept both the NeoX and the Uber in the line. Although sometimes, our sales reps that don't play bass, have a challenge explaining the difference between the two to a perspective dealer.
 
#29
hasbeen said:
no problem...glad to give you the history.

I agree with the mids.....they do help a cab sit in the mix quite well. That's why we kept both the NeoX and the Uber in the line. Although sometimes, our sales reps that don't play bass, have a challenge explaining the difference between the two to a perspective dealer.
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Sales reps that dont play bass... well thats just crazy... need a sales rep in Texas?!?!!??
 
#33
Hmmm, you've got a point. The Uber 212, however, sits very well in a mix. That solid thickness right above the kick drum has a wonderful supportive drive. It's quite articulate where you can make the notes out but leaves room in the upper mids for the vocals, guitar, and keyboards.
 
#34
JimmyM said:
Can a 112, by nature, be "uber"?
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I have my doubts. Seems like you need at least TWO drivers to get that special something happening from a sonic perspective.

I have a NEOX-112T, and it's the best sounding 112 I've heard. Probably has something to do with the oversized enclosure and X-porting. Even with this accolade, it ALWAYS sounded better paired with a second NEOX-112T. That coupling added an indescribable thickness to the sound.

I noticed the same thing with a pair of Bergantino HT115s that I had to sell due to weight issues. A standalone was the best 115 I had ever heard. But a pair of them sounded like liquid gold.

So, Jimmy, if you want to "uberize" anything, it must have at least two drivers in the same enclosure. We'll call this the First Law of Uber. The guys at GB probably have a list of 'em hung over their engineering workstations.
 
#36
Ukiah Bass said:
I have my doubts. Seems like you need at least TWO drivers to get that special something happening from a sonic perspective.

I have a NEOX-112T, and it's the best sounding 112 I've heard. Probably has something to do with the oversized enclosure and X-porting. Even with this accolade, it ALWAYS sounded better paired with a second NEOX-112T. That coupling added an indescribable thickness to the sound.

I noticed the same thing with a pair of Bergantino HT115s that I had to sell due to weight issues. A standalone was the best 115 I had ever heard. But a pair of them sounded like liquid gold.

So, Jimmy, if you want to "uberize" anything, it must have at least two drivers in the same enclosure. We'll call this the First Law of Uber. The guys at GB probably have a list of 'em hung over their engineering workstations.
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Kind of saw that coming. I just really hate rat fur.
 

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