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Double Bass Upton vs. New Standard

+1 to much of the above. I have had dealings with both firms. In my limited experience, both are working hard to serve their customers to the best of their ability. For me, it is also something of a choice between the culture of both firms, based on their stakeholders' experience and training; the instruments are, IMHO, expressions of that. So, I got a taste of both company's cultures, as part of my decision. For me, it was also partly about my perception of their firms' "fit" with my ideas and hopes.

The products, visions, levels of experience, and processes are different. Having had some dealings with both companies, and being in the process of having a La Scala built, now, I can only say that, IMHO, there is no substitute for visiting the shops, personally, playing actual instruments, talking (offline) with luthiers, and asking other bassists (whose experience and playing one finds relevant) about their candid assessments.

The Internet is amazing. At 49, I am still blown away by what we can see and hear, with a couple of clicks. But, obviously, its not Internet "vs" physical reality; in my recent selection process, I have mixed online chat and information gathering with plain old driving around, sawing and thumping on basses, listening to folks, and noting how they handle themselves, on the phone, at the computer, in the workshop, and face-to-face.

Ultimately, for me, it mostly comes down to practice and playing time, developing my musical mind, carefully strengthening muscular memory, and playing concepts. I can still play pretty poorly on the nicest bass; I have proved it! I know that one thing that will make me play better on my La Scala than I did on my Upton Professor is if I can spend more time with it. :hmm:
 
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...The products, visions, levels of experience, and processes are different. Having had some dealings with both companies, and being in the process of having a La Scala built, now, I can only say that, IMHO, there is no substitute for visiting the shops, personally, playing actual instruments, talking (offline) with luthiers, and asking other bassists (whose experience and playing one finds relevant) about their candid assessments.

The Internet is amazing. At 49, I am still blown away by what we can see and hear, with a couple of clicks. But, obviously, its not Internet "vs" physical reality...

Eric, i agree. the internet really is amazing, but it has its limits. Above all, the internet doesn't improve the quality of the information, only speed of the search. which means that the information found has to be scrutinized critically. there is a lot of hype out there. in the end, if you want to inform yourself one way or another about a bass so that you can make up your mind, you have to go to the shop where it is physically located and play it.
 
...in the end, if you want to inform yourself one way or another about a bass so that you can make up your mind, you have to go to the shop where it is physically located and play it.

Indeed, that will yield the information that is the most informative and relevant to the particular player. After all, a bass that works for one player does not necessarily work for another. I think Eric's post was quite wise.
 
Don, cool down. you're being overly argumentative. you know as well as everyone else that the "vs" is not what you've written there. it's just a shorthand way of comparing one bass "against" the other, which is a perfectly legitimate and useful inquiry if one is thinking of buying one or the other. i see a new bass thread with "vs" in the OP has just been started on "Thompson vs Kay-M1", so far, no complaints of discrimination...
i'm guessing you're big on shorthand
 
There is allot of useful info on this thread thanks to everyone.

I have owned a La Scala Hybrid and have had students show up with the Upton.

SO I can tell you that the Upton would be the way to go.

I have long since sold my La Scala hybrid. Really not enough volume or depth for my tastes. The bass I use now, which is a carved Gamba shape Chinese from Guarneri house, is 40% louder with far more guts in the lows then the La Scala had.

Not a big deal, just practice allot. Do not put too much emphasis is on the instrument. You will eventually land the correct instrument for yourself. The musician makes the instrument sound. I can make most basses sound like me. Not that getting a decent bass is a bad thing.
Practice practice and more practice.

The Upton is getting the lows and volume. I would not even bother with the New Standard stuff.
 
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@Bassprofit, not sure why you posted and revived a thread that has been dormant for about 2 years. Your certainly entitled to your opinion but I have no idea if its an informed opinion based on your profile.

Arnold is a big boy and sure doesn't need my help, but my experience with my fully carved "La Scala" is 180 degrees away from what your saying. In fact, I just finished a few recording sessions with my "La Scala" and the engineer (a well known pro with many credits) actually said he could feel the low end of my bass louder than any other acoustic that he could remember recording. Go figure!

I have nothing negative to say about Upton's products. They also seem to be great people putting out a quality product.
 
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@Bassprofit, not sure why you posted and revived a thread that has been dormant for about 2 years. Your certainly entitled to your opinion but I have no idea if its an informed opinion based on your profile.

Arnold is a big boy and sure doesn't need my help, but my experience with my fully carved "La Scala" is 180 degrees away from what your saying. In fact, I just finished a few recording sessions with my "La Scala" and the engineer (a well known pro with many credits) actually said he could feel the low end of my bass louder than any other acoustic that he could remember recording. Go figure!

I have nothing negative to say about Upton's products. They also seem to be great people putting out a quality product.
Hello,

I was home practicing and got distracted reading these posts, like I am now...hey I should get back to it.

Am happy for you that you dig your La Scala. That is great.

The posts intention was to help people make an informed decision. I read talk bass from time to time but rarely post. But TB has helped me a few times with its information.

Played the LaScala for about five years in big band pit band and quartet settings etc and was always wanting more low end, low mids and more presence, difficult to not use an amp in a musical pit band setting too, not enough volume.

I am a pro bass player in the NYC tri state area in my 40's...


If you like the La Scala that is what it is all about. Play the Bass.
 
@Bassprofit; Yeah, hard to quantify the individual human ear. We all hear in a slightly different manner based on any number of physiological factors. I guess the best i can say is that my experience was and is not the same as yours. Good to hear your a working musician. Cheers.
 
@Bassprofit; Yeah, hard to quantify the individual human ear. We all hear in a slightly different manner based on any number of physiological factors.
Actually, such differing opinions have little, if anything, to do with the ear or physiological differences regarding it. Rather, they stem fom judgment and preference differences and different (sometimes flawed) memory and comparisons. Still, they are there and each must, of course, decide on the sound he/she prefers.
 
@Drub..I bow to your superior knowledge in theses matters. However, I would like to suggest that at least a few bassists/musicians probably suffer from some hearing loss in certain frequencies as well as the other factors that you mentioned. Add them all together and viola, we have differences of opinion in what we are hearing! n'est pas?
 
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I haven't played either bass but I have to say id buy an American standard bass if it was available at St Petersburg although it's 4 times the price of my current ply.

There are a few things about the AS construction that you're getting the sound and feel you don't find on other instruments. I'd love to get an older model just cause I like them better on recordings, but the new standard is pretty close sound wise.