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Double Bass Velvet Garbos double bass strings megathread part I

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What is the action set up like on your basses with Animas? Anyone play them with lower action? At fast tempos, are they easy to play with a light touch, or do you have to really dig in and pull hard?

When I tried these a while back on my Kay I remember really liking them at ballad to medium tempos and thinking they were odd at faster tempos. Odd meaning- I had play with a different technique than I was used to with steel strings.
 
JAS said:
Anyone play them with lower action?
I guess I do, compared to Ed's setup at least. I had them higher, and then on the last set I installed, I set at at about 7-10mm. They sound clean, maybe a very slight drop in volume. Though you can pull hard on them, it isn't really necessary. They respond very nicely at this height on my bass.
 
Bruce Lindfield said:
They don't cost that much more than other strings in Europe as well!! :)

I must be looking in the wrong shop windows Bruce - how much then? As far as I can see Spiros are about £90 and Velvet Animas not less than £140 - that's a bit of a difference. Remembering you can get about $2 to the £1 something tells me they might be cheaper on the other side of the pond, which always narks me since they are made in Europe and should bear less transport costs. Bigger market over there I supose though. OTOH I could be getting done :rollno: again:crying: !

Hope you're still lovin' proper bass - sounds like it! :hyper:
 
Marcus Johnson said:
I haven't checked recently, but Quinn Violins was always the best price I found. They're really fast, and dealing with Chris Quinn is a pleasure.

I haven't found Quinn to be particularly fast, but they have been great to deal with and prices are good - especially since they don't charge postage on string-only orders.

Your other option for Velvet strings is LNR Music. I think they are the importers, and seem to have the lowest prices around (even with postage added).

Andy
 
Mike Crumpton said:
I must be looking in the wrong shop windows Bruce - how much then? As far as I can see Spiros are about £90 and Velvet Animas not less than £140 - that's a bit of a difference. Remembering you can get about $2 to the £1 something tells me they might be cheaper on the other side of the pond, which always narks me since they are made in Europe and should bear less transport costs. Bigger market over there I supose though. OTOH I could be getting done :rollno: again:crying: !

Hope you're still lovin' proper bass - sounds like it! :hyper:


I bought both from European online retailers - but you're right that it's a significant difference which I didn't notice due to conversion rates - so I just looked at the email confirmations and the Spiros were charged at 135 Euros and the Animas at £136 !! ;)
 
i was kind of undecided to write on this thread since im not a Velvet Strings lawyer or something like, im just here to answer possible questions about the Velvets and in case there are some problems like breakages, defective strings, etc.
However i decided to write a few lines, because "rip off" sounded really bad to my ears, its usually associated with somebody who wants to take advantage from somebody else, or steal something.
I know that Velvets are not for everybody, and there are some things that can discourage players, like the fact that they need a couple of weeks before they really start to sound really good, the 180's are delicate in the sense that the metal windings shouldnt go inside the tuning machines, because they can break,etc.
When i 1st play garbos, more than 5 years ago, i didnt like the windings that much, round wound and stained all my fingers, nowadays, i play garbos and animas almost everyday at velvet and i havent had my fingers stained in a long time, also the last animas and garbos who come out of the production, are very smooth, sure not like a metal string, and i doubt if they will ever be. thing is, Stephan doesnt want to change the sound of the strings anymore, he felt that they have the sound he wanted too, and players are happy with it... increase the strenght is for sure one thing hes always working at, and thats for sure the hardest task cause really minimum changes on the core and winding(we are talking about centesimal parts of a milimeter), change the sound. We had some problems in the past with some defective sets and we are always changing broken strings, you contact us and we will change it free of any charges. About the windings beeing not completely smooth, because of the materials and winding process, i really doubt they will ever be smoother, again strenght issues.. the 180s are pretty smooth, almost like a metal string, and the last generation of animas, garbos and 360's, are pretty smooth too. We try to control every single string which goes into the market for possible failures, of course that sometimes 1 or 2 can go out with a failure, even with failures not seen with naked eyes. Velvet is a small company where everything is almost hand made and i can tell you that these strings sure take time to make, and we try to use only the best components... sure the strings are expensive, but they are made in Switzerland where fortunately people still can have a very decent living with good wages, if they would be made in China they would cost a fraction of the price. So my point is, you may not like the way Velvet Strings sound, theyr feeling, etc, but they are for sure not a rip off, saying that is not only insulting the people who are working very hard everyday to put out a very decent product but its also the players who are using them, do you think Rufus Reid beeing the player that he is, would use an inferior product, or do you think we make special strings for him? What about so many other players who have been using daily our strings( Ed Fuqua, Marcus Johnson, now PB + J, Bruce, just to name a few from the TalkBassers). Are they all stupid? because thats what i would consider myself if i would spend more than $200 on a set of strings that are one of the biggest rip offs in the DB world like Mark Carlsen said.
And to conclude,Garbos, Animas and 360's need in fact a higher action to sound at their best, due to their gauge and materials used, they need more space to vibrate, on the other hand, the 180's can be played with a lower action, even if we advise to always try a bit of a higher action to allow the string to fully vibrate. Stephan, besides beeing a Double Bass player, is a mechanical engineer, so he tries to use both of his worlds to make a nice string. He works so hard everyday, more than anyone there, he goes there on weekends to make prototypes of strings, and you know what, he could be in the sun laying down instead, but he has a big passion for his work and for the Double Bass like we all have. sorry for the long post

Nuno
 
This forum is great...Everyone can voice their opinion without shooting at each other.
Basscrazy 72- I didnt' mean to insult you or any TBer for using Velvets.Buying any product in this world can be a risk.If I have made you guys at Velvet aware of Quality Control on your Finish Process ,then that's a good thing. Now ,I love Rufus Reid ,but I'm sure you are not charging him over $200.00 a set for his Velvets.Maybe nothing since you get to use his picture and so forth.the point is if you are going to try to make something ,try to do it the best.I see to many flaws in your strings to warrant the price you charge. I stand by my opinion.Send me some sample strings if you feel they are better now...be happy to field test them for you.:rolleyes:
 
I think that most of us can appreciate that something produced "by hand" , by a small team, is going to be more expensive than a similar item mass-produced in a more automated way...?

I like the idea that "crafsmanship" survives in Europe and I will always be prepared to pay a little extra - but that's just my personal preference - if people are obsessed with "value for money", then they have their choices/options as well - it's all good! :)

Nobody is "forcing" anybody to buy anything here! ;)
 
No, he's saying that he thinks they are overpriced and that their quality control is not what it should be. He did use the phrase "rip-off," quite explicitly:

Mark Carlsen said:
...IMO these are one of the big rip offs in the DB world.

As I wrote before, this has not been my experience at all, but free speech is a good thing overall
 
Mark Carlsen said:
I see to many flaws in your strings to warrant the price you charge. I stand by my opinion.Send me some sample strings if you feel they are better now...be happy to field test them for you.:rolleyes:
Woo Hoo:hyper:. I love it.

Send me some too. I've got a big mouth and you don't have to pay me anything either.
 
PB+J said:
As I wrote before, this has not been my experience at all, but free speech is a good thing overall
I agree. I think its fantastic that he's taking these guys to the mat. I got those strings on my bass too but I say send him out there to duke it out. Might make them do something better.
 
Mark, I'm a little unclear on the flaws you see. As far as can tell, it's that the rough wrap requires fingerboard dressing. Other than that, you just describe people not liking the tone, and the cost. The rough wrap--which doesn't seem rough to me--doesn't seem like "flaw" either, any more than having a silk core is a "flaw." If you use roundwound strings on a fretless electric because you like the tone, is it a "flaw" in the strings that they wear out the fingerboard? If you detune the strings on a double bass and the soundpost falls, is that a "flaw," or an inevitable side effect of the basic construction method?

Is the price a "flaw?" well, I'd rather pay less, but I haven't found a string that sounds as good or feels as good to play. I suppose the fact that a carved bass costs way more than a ply bass, both initially AND in terms of maintenance, is a "flaw" as well. Talk about paying twice!

I don't work on other people's basses, and I don't have your experience. But it does't seem to me that you've identified flaws, just strengths and weaknesses
 
The only problem with the Animas I had was that the string was too short. In my opinion, that's a problem. If anyone at Velvet is checking this thread, hows about making a longer set of strings. I had to trade the set I got for Xmas in 'cause they just were not going to fit. Or maybe, just maybe they could specify what the longest string length that the strings will fit. :hmm:
 
PB+J said:
Mark, I'm a little unclear on the flaws you see. As far as can tell, it's that the rough wrap requires fingerboard dressing. Other than that, you just describe people not liking the tone, and the cost. The rough wrap--which doesn't seem rough to me--doesn't seem like "flaw" either, any more than having a silk core is a "flaw." If you use roundwound strings on a fretless electric because you like the tone, is it a "flaw" in the strings that they wear out the fingerboard? If you detune the strings on a double bass and the soundpost falls, is that a "flaw," or an inevitable side effect of the basic construction method?

Is the price a "flaw?" well, I'd rather pay less, but I haven't found a string that sounds as good or feels as good to play. I suppose the fact that a carved bass costs way more than a ply bass, both initially AND in terms of maintenance, is a "flaw" as well. Talk about paying twice!

I don't work on other people's basses, and I don't have your experience. But it does't seem to me that you've identified flaws, just strengths and weaknesses
Well as I stated it's the rough wrap after finishing that is my beef.It doesn't cause the fingerboard dressing.My clients needed their boards done and after I had done the work the strings make the buzz,not the board.These guys have these strings on there basses.If they change to another brand the buzz goes away...Seems to me thats the Flaw I am refering to.If you like them and have no problems great, but the track record in my shop stands as my opinion does.The other tangents you are referring to may or may not be flaws, the final process that Velvet does to finish off the string wraps is definatly one.I hope I am a little more clear here.
 
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