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Double Bass Velvet strings megathread part II

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There are two version of Compas 180s available, the normal ones (which are like the original version) and the SUIT set. The SUITs are lower tension and are designed to be used in either normal tuning or up a step in solo tuning. I've been trying to figure out which would be better for playing mostly jazz with some arco work--my hybrid bass loves the Velvet even-tension thing (the wolf tones go away!), but I need something that bows better than Animas or, heaven forbid, Garbos.
 
There are two version of Compas 180s available, the normal ones (which are like the original version) and the SUIT set. The SUITs are lower tension and are designed to be used in either normal tuning or up a step in solo tuning. I've been trying to figure out which would be better for playing mostly jazz with some arco work--my hybrid bass loves the Velvet even-tension thing (the wolf tones go away!), but I need something that bows better than Animas or, heaven forbid, Garbos.

Yes, I have a Bass that had a Wolf on the A-note A-string and the Eliminator took care of it with Flexocors on the Bass. When I put the Velvets on I forgot to put the Eliminator back on. Actually, I didn't notice the Wolf anymore. The Bass went out on trial and gave two used sets of Flexs to try in case the Velvets didn't work out. The client called back to mentioned a Wolf on the A-sting but only with the Flexs on the Bass. So, that's a plus I guess if for one they fix Wolfs and two, if you actually happen to like the Velvets as well.
 
I'm thinking about trying out Velvet Animas and would like to know if I would be able to just do a direct replacement of the Spirocore Mittels. Or will I have to file the nut and bridge to accept the higher gauge of the animas?
 
Velvet Garbo, Anima and Compas 360 all have the same tension, 25 kgs per string (55,115 lbs says the online conversion:p)
The Velvet Garbo Light have a tension of 23 kgs per string (50,706 lbs)
The compas 180 and the compas 180 solo have a tension of 26kgs per string (57,320 lbs)
The compas 180 Suit and the Compas 180 Solo light have a tension of 24 kgs per string ( 52,910 lbs)
The compas 180 V tuning also have a tension of 26 kgs per string (57,320 lbs)

Nuno
 
When you're using Spirocores, which I think has a tension of about 30-31 kg, will you notice much difference in tension and feel when you put on a string with 27 kg (Anima and reg. Garbo on a 4/4 bass with 43,3" string length, I'm told) or 25 kg (Garbo light on the same bass)?
 
Hi everyone.

I´d like to share my experiences with Velvet Compas 360 strings. Now, since I only had them for a few hours, not much can be said yet, but I´m going to expand on it after they had their break-in time.

I have to admit, that whole velvet land is almost new to me- apart from a 1-year stint with Compas 180s, that I used about 4 years ago because I was tired of my usual steel-string (helicore pizz light). I play jazz professionally , mainly pizzicato, bowing almost only for my own home pleasure. On a side-note: On my bass (O. Rubner, 1946, 108cm scale) helicore pizz strings bow REALLY GREAT (better tan the hybrids, strangely enough).

This time, I was tired of, well, something. Not exactly how the helicores sounded- it was their relative unevenness (on my bass) that bugged me, the G-string always (as in, my last 3 sets) sounded old right out of the bag, the A-string buzzed the first 4 days (last 2 sets), I had 2 String-breaks on A-Strings (one was brand-new) and so on. So when it was annual "time to change", I thought rather I go back to THE mainstream jazz steel string (spiro weich, you can see I like the soft touch on my rather high action), or be a little daring and try something different. I opted for the latter, partly because [Invalid or Expired Link Removed] revealed that the differences are much bigger to the player´s ear than to the listener (granted: some strings project and cut through better than others). Lots of it comes from fingers, hands, and the instrument.

That was especially exciting since a) the Compas 360 are comparably inexpensive (compared to the Garbos or Animas), and b) these strings never really left their state of obscurity. I know one guy that played them years ago, here on TalkBass the only thing I could find (apart from one post from 4 years ago where somebody got rid of them after a week or so) was uncletoad who obviously didn´t dig them too much.

Now, here´s my first impression:

-Way more sustain and growl than I expected. That surprised me, and then again it is obviously pretty dependent on the bass setup. So the E-string does what I like: Growl, but not with that spiro-metal-harshness, quite warm, in fact. All others sustain equally good, does not seem to be lots less than steel strings, it´s just, well, not so steel-ish.

-Lots of pump. That´s not so surprising, that´s why velvet makes strings- gut pump. In this case, not too much, but considerably more than steel. They have a pretty big amplitude and "move a lot of air". And they even have that pump feeling in thumb position, so they sound powerful up there too.

-Very even. There´s spots that sound a little nosy (like, Db to Eb on the G), but that´s only in the player´s ear. I recorded them (****** recording, I´ll make a better one and post it, maybe). No nosyness. Very even strings, volume-wise and sound-wise. That´s lots better than heli pizz.

-Bowing: a little tougher than I´m used to, but once you get it, can be quite nice, I guess. At the moment it´s not so pretty, a little harsh and they don´t start too well. I´ll wait with my verdict until they are settled. Oh, and the open E-string has a monster buzz. I hope that one goes away with time.

Feel: a little roundwound. But not too much. Soft as all the velvets I´ve played on jam session basses (low tension). Nice way of digging into the string and enjoying their "bounce".

So, all in all, I´m pretty pleased so far. I´ll report on cutting though a band and amplifying it once I have experiences. As of now, I can recommend these strings to those who want the velvet touch, but don´t like the Garbos or Animas (like me- at least the Garbos always had something plastic to them, a little like clothesline). Maybe I could go so far and say, if you like steel strings for their sustain, but don´t like twang or harshness, give those Compas 360s a shot. It´s pretty safe also, since the special velvet ends make it easy to sell them in rather good condition.
 
Hi everyone,

now that I´ve had them on for quite some time, this is the result in short: They´re off, Spiro Weich are on and unbelievably great.

Why this: Well, after one rehearsal with a session quartet (piano, drums, guitar, me), I was positive- the Compas felt nice, sounded boomy and (amplified) seemed to cut through ok, at least I didn´t get any complaints.

So I got used to them, liked them, really. They felt soft under the pizz fingers, they sustained seemingly ok... But then I rehearsed with my regular trio (guitar, drums, me), and my bandmates complained. Even though to me, the Velvets sounded loud and strong, they couldn´t quite spot me in the mix. They obviously didn´t project quite well. The drummer was especially appalled. Plus, the guitar player told me he had trouble hearing the pitch centre, something I was wrestling with too.

So just for the fun of it (and to check the reaction of my colleagues), I bought Spiro Weichs. And what can I say: I was wrong the last years, in fact almost my entire study time (I used helicore pizz soft or middles). The Spiros felt like home directly, like a well-fitting glove. They are a lot softer than I remember. They project exceptionally well (cutting through a mix is no issue anymore), they are super-centered, they sustain like nothing else and growl when they are supposed to (but controlable, I can´t explain it any better- if you want them short, it´s doable). They bow like a dream (on my bass, they get a very sweet fat-cello-like sound). They stay 100% in tune from the moment they are in tune the first time- that´s great and very new to me since helicores just don´t do that (and velvets certainly don´t- they need a week to coming close to holding pitch). Speaking of helicores: They just don´t deliver what Spiros do. Be it bowing (even though they bow ok), be it attack (boom)...

Now, I´m selling those Velvets on ebay. I found what I was looking for, the Velvets for me were just a stint. Might be cool for others, but I think there´s a reason why Spiros are still so popular. ´Nuff said.
 
As you found Spiros are so popular because they always sound like spiros (which is good) and work well in the mix. I have Compass 360's on my American Standard Bass and really like them. The bass likes the low tension and while no string is truly "gut like " but gut, the 360's are definitely not "steel like" like Spiros. They are in the gutty family. I'd think that for any music where guts would work the 360's would also basically work. I probably won't change them until they break.
Buzz
 
I've been a Gut player for quite a few years. I was up at a shop in Madison, WI and I played this guys bass with the old Garbos on it and I LOVED it! So recently I've been playing more folk and bluegrass gigs and thought it would be nice to have more note articulation. So I say the new light version of the strings and ordered them right away. At first I was knocked out, loved them. But the tension feels much tighter than my gut strings and after a few months, I'm not totally in love with the sound. I think my ear is stuck on that gut sound. I really wish these played and sounded as nice as the old ones that I played.

P.S. The old Garbos that I played, the A string was odd, like the wrap had gaps in it, is this normal, the new light ones that I have are very smooth.
 
25kg is 55 lbs. Yet the tension charts I see quote standard tensions ranging from 60 to >80 lbs. Velvets aren't that much lower, are they? What gives?

As a side note, I have some Garbos now installed. Though the G seems a little different from the rest of the set, I think I like them, but it's the diameter that stands out as appealing to me as much as anything else I notice about them. Are other (i.e., bowable) Velvets almost as thick as Garbos?

I have the compas 180, and it's not as thick as the garbo. I'd love to play some kinf of garbo but with steel on it like the compas, so it's easier to bow....
what is the difference between the compas 180 and 360 by the way?
thanks
yannick
 
I really like the garbos,I use the A&E with either plain gut or Goldenspirals for the G&D,,the tenison of the ones I have now match really good , they could be a bit softer but I would'nt want to have them any smaller,, or they will start feeling like steels. I use them mainly in the summer time on my gig bass, we play alot of outside shows and the damp is rough on guts,,so I like the nylon wrapped g&d,, and garbos on a&e,and the garbos do well also with the damp / changing weather.
Could a lighter tenison be made but with a bigger diameter??
that would work better for me, to have the A&E just a bit bigger, more close to wrapped guts,,The super silvers have the gage thing about right, but feel too light under hand..
 
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