alexclaber
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There are a few over there already and more on their way. Looking at your EQ you'd get on very well with a couple of Super Compacts. They'd play comfortably louder than a 15/6.
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Very light full-range cabinets?
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There are a few over there already and more on their way. Looking at your EQ you'd get on very well with a couple of Super Compacts. They'd play comfortably louder than a 15/6.
I'm considering ordering a no-frills Bassic 15, does anyone own one that is made with Baltic Birch? I'm trying to find what those come in at.
I recommend that you ask the AB's in the greenboy forum, [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]. I believe you still have to register to see the contents.
Duke—I meant to answer this sooner, but so many rehearsals crammed together this weekend had me hopping, and I can only schlepp half of what I usually do.
Here is a view (for a passive Jazz bass) of my Mesa M9 GEQ with the amp's contour switch in "flat" mode. This went to a DI and a Rack 003 ProTools System for a recording, but is similar to what I often use live in clubs without PA support for Reggae band performances—12dB down over 2k. The shape currently is smoother, so I'll add an up-to-date image tomorrow.
It was that EQ curve (that you posted a while back), and hearing the clips that you posted (i.e., nice big, warm and round, with nothing going on above the mid midrange) that prompted my suggestion of the 12/6 (without tweeter) and sub. Probably the lightest and lowest cost way within the Greenboy product line to maximize low end in a modular system that meets your weight requirements. With that particular amp, with the huge sub bass going on, the true, LF based fEARful cabs would be the thing IMO and IME.
A bit late to this party.
As some of you know, I've been recovering from a broken neck and spinal cord damage that left me paralized from the neck down. I went through the whole light/loud as soon as I was well enough to play again (about two years ago, and the injury was three years ago in August). My current state of affairs is that I still have partial paralysis of my left side (from the neck down) and pretty normal use of my right. Finding a cab that I can move one-handed is a big deal for me.
I ended up with a Mike Arnopol 15/6 composite. It is moot since he doesn't make them now, but the composite I got was cursed and that cab has been not functioning and in repair for over 6 months now. A wooden F115 is in my future. Mike is a very nice guy, but based on my personal expeience I would not go that route again.
What I did find, was that despite the 35lb weight, the dimensions were the bigger issue. Some cabs are just cumbersome because of the size, regardless of weight. In hindsight, I think a heavier, but smaller cab would have been more easily managed; perhaps a modular setup.
If I were doing it again and price was no object (as stated by the OP) I'd consider a pair of F210 cabs, particularly for a greenboy fan. I think they clock in at 45lbs, which is more than the desired weight, but I'd bet they are easy to manipulate based on their dimensions. Worst case, they could be loaded on a dolly, which makes moving them pretty easy once you get them on there. Though, the vert stacking might be tough.
I'd also consider taking a peed at the Glasstone 12 cabs.n Nice dimensions, and a built in dolly as an option. However, I have no personal experience with them.
I did try a Baer ML112. It wasn't working for my tone at the time, but I think it was pretty easy to move. Two of them should be awesome with my current rig. Though, I think they may not be as loud as the OP wants, and probably a bit colored and/or range limited for the OP.
As some of you know, I've been recovering from a broken neck and spinal cord damage that left me paralized from the neck down. I went through the whole light/loud as soon as I was well enough to play again (about two years ago, and the injury was three years ago in August). My current state of affairs is that I still have partial paralysis of my left side (from the neck down) and pretty normal use of my right. Finding a cab that I can move one-handed is a big deal for me.
I ended up with a Mike Arnopol 15/6 composite. It is moot since he doesn't make them now, but the composite I got was cursed and that cab has been not functioning and in repair for over 6 months now. A wooden F115 is in my future. Mike is a very nice guy, but based on my personal expeience I would not go that route again.
What I did find, was that despite the 35lb weight, the dimensions were the bigger issue. Some cabs are just cumbersome because of the size, regardless of weight. In hindsight, I think a heavier, but smaller cab would have been more easily managed; perhaps a modular setup.
If I were doing it again and price was no object (as stated by the OP) I'd consider a pair of F210 cabs, particularly for a greenboy fan. I think they clock in at 45lbs, which is more than the desired weight, but I'd bet they are easy to manipulate based on their dimensions. Worst case, they could be loaded on a dolly, which makes moving them pretty easy once you get them on there. Though, the vert stacking might be tough.
I'd also consider taking a peed at the Glasstone 12 cabs.n Nice dimensions, and a built in dolly as an option. However, I have no personal experience with them.
I did try a Baer ML112. It wasn't working for my tone at the time, but I think it was pretty easy to move. Two of them should be awesome with my current rig. Though, I think they may not be as loud as the OP wants, and probably a bit colored and/or range limited for the OP.
I had 3 composite Crazy8s, 1 composite Crazy88, and a composite TC115. ALL of them had structural or mechanical issues. I would never go that route again. Great idea, bad execution.
My F210 weighs 46 lbs. If the most volume you need is at the 410 level, a single F210 will do the job (provided you give it enough watts, such as many of the micro amps provide @ 4ohms. There would be NO need for a pair. A single F210 is a breeze to move around on a dolly, or be short-lifted into a car or up on a stage.
If a standard 210 is all the volume you need for a typical gig, the F110 will be MORE than adequate with enough watts (my Puma 900 puts 500 into this cab @ 8ohms and it's crazy loud for its size). It's my to-to cab on 90% of my gigs. And it's just 31lbs in 3/8" okoume wood. A one-hand wonder.
For my needs, a F210 would be all I need since a 15/6 did the trick, and a 15/6 can hang with many 410 cabs. Since the OP said match or exceed a 15/6, I figured a pair could be desirable. Of course a pair would need a 2ohm capable head.
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Below are my typical reggae settings on an Mesa M9 in a medium volume situation. Again, it is a passive Fender CS "early '60s" Jazz with light gauge DR Hi-Beams.
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I've done a few Bassic15's in Baltic Birch, but don't recall the exact weight. I want to say 35-36lbs. Somewhere around there. I recently did two in Arauco. One had a single recessed top handle and a round (bug eye) grill. It weighed slightly under 30lbs on my scale. The other one had two Marshall style recessed handles on the sides, grill cloth with piping and came in at slightly under 31lbs
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Yep. That's mine. Pretty sure if I really wanted to, there are some nights I could practically throw it from the van to the stage.
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Duke—I meant to answer this sooner, but so many rehearsals crammed together this weekend had me hopping, and I can only schlepp half of what I usually do.
Here is a view (for a passive Jazz bass) of my Mesa M9 GEQ with the amp's contour switch in "flat" mode. This went to a DI and a Rack 003 ProTools System for a recording, but is similar to what I often use live in clubs without PA support for Reggae band performances—12dB down over 2k. The shape currently is smoother, so I'll add an up-to-date image tomorrow.
Thank you Dr. Jim.
I don't anticipate any problem with my cabs from your EQ, but you'd need to crank in a bit more boostage south of 100 Hz to approximate what you're getting from a fEARful 15/6. With two of my 112 cabs of whichever variety, you could probably end up back in 15/6 territory.
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That and it's powered sisters look good (who doesn't love QSC?), but I am happy with my Shuttle 6.0 (with bass contour emphasis activated
), Mesa M9, and GK mb800 amplifiers. I also rarely have significant PA support, so I have to provide stage and house bass.For my applications, I like the inherently lighter weight of an un-powered cabinet. While I have a CA6 lead sled (now relegated to rehearsal PA duty), the M9 is so much lighter (1/2 the weight), that I grab it instead of my micros. They are for backup, upright, and travel.
Due to a recent injury, I need to find the lightest cabs I can. I am a Greenboy user, but my 15/6/1 weighs in at over 60 lbs.
I play everything from Reggae to Country. I have a light rig for upright, but what I am seeking is something that can match or exceed my 15/6/1 for work with loud club bands.
Am I needing a pair 12/6/1's or a 12/6 and a 12sub? What about AudioKinesis? I see the Thunderchild 112 is 30 lbs and the 115 is 40, but I wonder if the lowend is big enough for "Island Music?" Anyone in North America using Barefaced's new line?
While I can afford those cabs, are there GB, GK, Bergantino, or Carvin cabs I might consider? I am not really in the position to DIY—but I need to match or exceed my current cab in a couple of lighter packages—Gee I wish Ron Anchak was still building!
I guess I am looking for two cabs, each 40 lbs or less that really deliver wide clean response, big lowend, and lots of power handling/volume. Efficiency, size, and price are not big concerns.
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How does your Fearful 15/6/1 cab compare to your Epifani cabs? I have a PS210 and PS115, and while I like them, I have had back trouble, and am considering one or two 12 inch cabs. Your NYC 210 would be similar to my PS210, wouldn't it. I guess my question is, if you like the Fearful compared to the Epifani, then a 12/6 Fearful would be pretty similarly voiced compared to a 15/6/1, right?
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There is very little similarity between the UL1 410 4 ohm I have and the fEARful 15/6/1. The UL1 410 is a great cab, loud, dusky-warm, with lots of low end and a pleasing baked-in dark character. I keep the tweeter low except for slap. It plays nicely with the 8 ohm UL1 210 I have when I am in one of those country bands with several loud guitarists and need a 610 (Hey, it's Texas, all y'all!
).The 15/6/1 (8 ohm) is so different. It is even in response across the spectrum. It is a high fidelity-type speaker that happens to be able to handle the low end BETTER than any 410 I have encountered.
Yet, because of it's more accurate nature and great mid dispersion, it makes the bass sound somewhat like a classical guitarin that the string timbre is suddenly so much more detailed. It really changes how I play, how I use EQ, what strings I prefer, my set up, how loud I play, and how well others on stage can hear me.
In effect, I can EQ my fEARful to have the good things about the UL1 410, AND have added clarity, detail, and more of what I want, i.e., more lows, shaped upper mids, whatever.
A 12/6/1 fEARful sounds basically EXACTLY the same as a 15/6/1 fEARfulthere is just less power handling with the 12/6/1. If you want the warm lows of your Epifani cabs from a 12/6/1, you will have to EQ for that soundmightily boosting the low-mids, cutting upper-mids and highssee above for my reggae EQ settings.
Interesting seeing some of the remarks on composite cabinets. I gig a fair amount around Nashville and the South in general, and have some pretty extensive experience in the composites industry as well. I would agree with Ukiah on the "good idea, bad execution" thought he had in an earlier post. I saw this many times in both the motorsports and competitive sailing industries back in the early days of composite construction. Solid engineering eventually solved the bad execution problems and the good ideas moved forward.
Currently I have two rigs I can use depending on venue size and volume. The first is for bigger rooms and consists of a 12 inch, a 10 inch and a horn crossed at 3.5K. I usually power it with a Tonehammer 500 which is more than adequate volume for most shows. If I need more I'll power it with a Fender TB1200. With that amp this rig is an absolute beast. Cab weighs just over 30 pounds and has had no issues in over a year of steady gigging.
The other rig is my Tonehammer with a 1x12 plus horn and surprisingly as of late I'm using this rig almost all the time now. Very uncolored tone, whatever you plug into it is what you get out of it. Upright is great through it as is my five-
string Jazz. Pbass with flats and a pick is nirvana. Cab is 17.5 pounds and after months of work has shown no issues. Gonna pair it with another twelve cab I'm building with a passive radiator that should come in around 16 pounds. That way I'll have the option to use one or both cabinets.
After working many gigs both large and small in the past year with these cabs I cannot imagine lugging heavy gear again. Like anyone I love the sound of an SVT or something similiar. If I'm not on a tour with roadies my 50-something year old back says otherwise.
I believe the composite cab idea is very much in it's infancy and shows great potential. From what I've seen working for years in the motorsports and sailing industries it's really just a matter of engineering. The R+D will continue.
Currently I have two rigs I can use depending on venue size and volume. The first is for bigger rooms and consists of a 12 inch, a 10 inch and a horn crossed at 3.5K. I usually power it with a Tonehammer 500 which is more than adequate volume for most shows. If I need more I'll power it with a Fender TB1200. With that amp this rig is an absolute beast. Cab weighs just over 30 pounds and has had no issues in over a year of steady gigging.
The other rig is my Tonehammer with a 1x12 plus horn and surprisingly as of late I'm using this rig almost all the time now. Very uncolored tone, whatever you plug into it is what you get out of it. Upright is great through it as is my five-
string Jazz. Pbass with flats and a pick is nirvana. Cab is 17.5 pounds and after months of work has shown no issues. Gonna pair it with another twelve cab I'm building with a passive radiator that should come in around 16 pounds. That way I'll have the option to use one or both cabinets.
After working many gigs both large and small in the past year with these cabs I cannot imagine lugging heavy gear again. Like anyone I love the sound of an SVT or something similiar. If I'm not on a tour with roadies my 50-something year old back says otherwise.
I believe the composite cab idea is very much in it's infancy and shows great potential. From what I've seen working for years in the motorsports and sailing industries it's really just a matter of engineering. The R+D will continue.
I forget numbers but in the last America's Cup the commentators were on about the prodigious forces on tiny areas. It was all compostites stressed to the absolute maximum strength of the material, which is comparable with steel rather than plywood, no doubt a bass cab can be made robust.
The tricky part is anchoring the drivers. I'd be inclined to cheat and glue plywood baffle to composite cab!
The tricky part is anchoring the drivers. I'd be inclined to cheat and glue plywood baffle to composite cab!
