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Very new, and upset. Please help if you can.

First of all, welcome to TB. We want you to succeed with the bass and we want you to have fun doing it. We want you to come back and tell us you're having a blast learning new songs. We want to read about your first gig, if that's where you're going with this, or listen to soundclips of you playing. Most of all we want you to feel good and excited when you pick up your instrument. So, we're going to do our best to help.

We hear that you're upset and worried. You were having fun learning a new instrument, and now you've been told you were doing it all wrong. The new way hurts and feels unnatural, and you're frustrated and feel like quitting.

Like you, we've all been through times of frustration and pain. We've all felt like quitting. Anytime you learn something new, there's some element of discomfort initially, and usually a few failures before you get it right.

BUT: as others have said, you shouldn't be in the kind of pain you've described. If that's the case, stop doing whatever is causing the pain. Pain is there for a reason, and if you ignore it, you can do damage to yourself. A little soreness due to stretching or muscle soreness might be normal at first, but no decent teacher would want you to continue to do something that causes the kind of pain you describe, so make sure your instructor knows how you are feeling. Go over the hand positions with your instructor, and make sure he or she knows exactly what aspects are causing you pain.

If your instructor insists that you continue doing things that cause more than a little temporary soreness, find a new instructor immediately.

Others might disagree with me on this, but I'm going to say it anyway: there are literally dozens of examples of famous, successful musicians who did things their own way, ignoring traditional techniques. Everyone is different, and you may not be able to play the way your instructor thinks is "correct." And that may not matter. In the end, the only things that matter are the results: Are you happy with your playing? Is the tone good? Are you able to play the songs you want to play? Are you playing in a way that is safe and comfortable for you? If so, there's no problem.

The other thing I want to say to you is that finding the right instructor can make a huge difference in your experience. Everyone knows this. If you think back to when you were in school, you might recall certain teachers you loved, and others you didn't like. Trying to learn a new instrument from an instructor whose approach is wrong for you, or who doesn't "get you," can be a frustrating experience. You're paying for lessons, presumably, so the instructor works for you, not the other way around. If you're not happy with this one, try another one.

You're going to get a lot of advice here, much of it good. Take what makes sense to you, and please don't give up. Come back and tell us how things are going. We're in your corner.
 
Hang in there, buddy. It will be OK. Talk to your instructor and work it out because it should not hurt the way you describe. Correct form is important and you're just getting started which is a good thing. Unlike some of us, you won't have to "unlearn" bad habits years from now.
 
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I used to own a Rickenbacker 4003. I could not play it without experiencing serious wrist/hand pain. Something about that neck just didn't work for me. I have since owned (and currently own) other 4, 5, and even 6-string basses that I experience ZERO pain issues with. USA Peaveys, in particular, seem to be basses that suit me well.

It may be your bass, it may be the technique that your instructor is trying to teach you to play with, it may be a combo of both. Whatever the issue(s), the bottom line is that you shouldn't be in pain all the time (or ever, really) when practicing/playing. Something's wrong here, and I would suggest that if your instructor is insistent on you playing in a manner that is painful, then you need to go elsewhere.

Good luck!
 
I should have said stiffness, cramps and strains, not pain. Anyway, it was months before I could play for an extended period of time without feeling anything. The same thing happens with almost any physical activity. You are gonna feel it until your body is done adjusting. She calls it pain but I imagine that this is what she is experiencing.

I thank every for their responses. I figured there would be some discomfort, but I'm experiencing pain in the sense where it feels as though the outside portion of my wrist is about to break. I'm still in pain today, which sucks, because I have a job where I type all day.

I really wanted an hour lesson so I could get this part down pat, but they wouldn't give me one. Which means I have to wait another week before I can even practice. The teacher definitely had some issues with his own wrist that I could see and I don't want to develop issues with my bones and joints. It's just really hard to find a bass teacher for some reason. I might just keep looking for a proper teacher. I don't expect to be able to play for hours at first, ten minutes would be nice, but with my wrist bent all messed up like that I don't even last a minute :(
 
Stop doing what he said immediately. You should never experience pain in your fretting hand. If you do, you're going against your natural ergonomics (and everyone's ergonomics are personal and unique).

There are some general guidelines you want to consider when developing fretting hand technique, but because everyone's hands and arms are different lengths and sizes, there is no one-size-fits-all rule.

Forcing yourself to play in pain will most certainly result in injury which may be permanent or require surgery.

I will post a link to a thread that's got some great information related to fretting hand technique which I learned as I was developing mine.

But... Before we put the cart before the horse, it would do you better early on to develop your finger plucking technique (if you're not playing with a pick). If you're playing with a pick, disregard this video on how to develop floating thumb finger plucking technique. If you want to learn how to pluck the strings, this is the absolute best way to do it. It will take practice and patience, but it is well worth it:



Now, here is some great information about fretting hand technique that I learned through research and practice:

Help me with my left hand technique.


I will give those a try. Thank you.
 
idk--it shouldn't be painful unless you are playing for many hours straight. Something isn't going correctly. You will eventually need to have each finger on a separate fret as your playing gets more advanced. Experiment with adjusting your hand while maintaining a finger per fret until you find a position that doesn't hurt---perhaps the discomfort comes from more than the hand position--like your arm position in relation to your bass. Don't give up--something will work for you eventually.
 
I just got through a similar situation, so I might be able to help. Having learned guitar and bass at the same time in high school, I played both for about 12 years before a medical condition kept me from playing both instruments for several years. I'm still not able to play guitar, so I decided to start from scratch on the bass by taking private lessons (I originally learned to play in a high school jazz class). The teacher I worked with was well recommended but very adamant that I use the one-finger-per-fret method in all positions, as he felt that modern (post-1960's) music was incompatible with the 1-2-4 method I had been taught as a teenager. Additionally, he was very clear that the bottom of the plucking hand forearm should rest in the waist of the bass with the thumb not moving from the pickup or thumb rest at all and the fingers held perfectly straight while playing. After two weeks of this, both of my wrists had a constant dull throb that turned into cramping and shaking whenever I practiced more than a few minutes.

I talked to my instructor about this, and got the standard "no pain, no gain/you gotta suffer for your art/of course playing the bass hurts, it takes a real man to play it compared to the guitar" lines. I gave it another week and then scheduled an appointment with my doctor (who later mentioned that as a guitar player who has a nagging wrist injury due to a fall he took while skiing, he's taken more than a casual interest in the subject) to talk about whether this could at all be related to previous health issues. When I explained the specific types about the new technique versus the 1-2-4 method, he shook his head and said absolutely not. He said that a small amount of pain is acceptable to new players--think about the slight burn you get during the first couple weeks of a good workout routine that doesn't overdo your limits--and that's just because you're essentially starting a workout plan on smaller muscles, which will react the same way your biceps and pecs would to a lifting program, but on a much smaller scale. In short, he said a mild feeling of fatigue is acceptable for a month or so, but any sharp, stabbing or needling pains, cramps, numbness, shaking, or tingling are signs that you're doing something wrong or that your lesson program isn't gradual enough.
 
Make sure the body of your bass is centered on the front of your body (not pushed off to your hip). That will help your hands go where they need to go. When I play sitting down, with the lower cutout of my bass resting on my right leg, my left hand and wrist get put in a different position and I will feel it over 15-30 minute timespan. It all goes away with me standing and the bass centered on my body. If you need to play sitting down, let the back of the body hit your right leg instead of the cutout.

Hope that helps some. Welcome to talkbass, and please don't give up.
 
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No wonder you're in pain! You should never have a bent wrist like that! Adjust your arm to where your wrist is straight. I use that technique and I never have a lick of pain because I keep a straight wrist. I've taught that technique to others and they don't, either. Pull your elbow out from your body as far as you need to keep your wrist straight.

And with all due respect to yodedude, squeeze balls and the like do absolutely nothing. You don't need finger or hand strength. You need just enough to make the string touch the fret. Beyond that is useless.

Also, I saw someone mention that long fingers help. I suppose that's true, but I have the shortest fingers of any male I've ever met in my life and I have zero problem doing one finger per fret.
 
He also had me drop where I had my thumb positioned on the back of the bass and put my fingers into a claw. It's so much harder to play that way, and I'm still in pain.
That sounds right, but severe wrist bend is bad. There should be no pain. a 90 degree wrist will cause probs like carpal tunnel. ask me how I know...

Maybe raise the bass or rotate the bass so the neck is higher. All fingers behind the one doing the fretting should be down - they help the fretting finger. There is a debate about what is better technique - one finger per fret, or the Simandl approach used in upright paying, where fingers 1, 2 and 4 are the only ones used for the lower notes. I use both depending on my mood, but Simandl is easier.

From the sound of it, you may be better suited to Simandl - don't use one finger per fret, the stretch may be too great for you.

As for your bosom, maybe a smaller bodied bass? Also, you might try a short scale bass, and the hell with tradition. lots of people are moving to short scale these days. Ibanez Mikro basses sound pretty good and are cheap and IMO easy to play.

and it is critical that the bass be properly set up. strings that are too high can cause hand problems.

Here is a video of the absolute worst bass technique ever. I am shocked a company like Duncan put this up, but here it is. If your old technique is anything like this, don't. just don't.

 
It warms my heart that these sort of threads always jump to the top of the activity list.

Where was talkbass when I was cutting my teeth on bass?

Thank God I broke away from the "claw" position and keeping my thumb vertical behind my middle finger well before I did too much damage...

I actually got hip to Bunny Brunel's style after reading about him in this shiny paper device I believe they called "Bass Player Magazine"?

Man, the '90s were far out...
 
Congrats on joining us here on talkbass, choosing to play the coolest instrument (bass), and being smart enough to seek wisdom to help you grow!

So here goes:

1. It looks like your hands are plenty big enough to play bass. Do NOT stress about one finger per fret in the first few positions.
-you will need great strength in your pinky to play minor thirds, fifths, and octaves but will not need to contort your hand.

2. Get elbow away from body and get that bend out of your wrist. You will learn to fret and pluck notes using your forearm rather than wrist muscles.

This is the dude who really explained it best for me. I developed more chops and less stress by learning his style.

One finger Per fret is great if you have big hands and can do it easily. I am blessed as such but still let my hand "fall" onto the fingerboard. Do not use the "claw" - you may have to get a long horned bass or move strap pegs to get a 45 degree balance but ITS WORTH IT!



See how he does it?

Here is his right hand approach- same principle in using a pulling motion with the forearm flexors.



3. Play in front of a mirror!
- shoulders back allowing your nerves to conduct and blood circulation
- elbows out, wrists as straight as possible (no T. rex plucking motions)
- you can see what you feel and develop positive muscle memory.
- you will need to pluck and fret with strength and confidence but ultimately an amplifier will do the real heavy lifting.
- move with your instrument and keep shifting the weight to avoid prolonged pressure on a joint or your feminity.
- use a wide strap (I like bouncy neoprene and Dunlop strap locks)
- warm up, exercise (planks!!!), and pay close attention to protecting your fingers, wrist, elbows, shoulders.
- I do a lot of tai chi/water aerobics and uncontrollable shaking of body parts and like to visualize initiating a note from my feet and allowing the energy to travel freely through my body
- the ONLY rule is to feel comfortable and find a way to move sound, hearts, and booties with your music!!

4. Use the search bar here. There is over a decade's worth of detailed conversations. I've posted this diatribe several times and have also taught it in person.

This stuff works!

You can do it and we are all here to help!

Who am I to argue with Caron, but there are some things that could be better for a beginner - remeber, he's been at it for a really long time and has developed what works for him.

First note that Caron is using more or less the Simandl method. The two middle fingers together is the giveaway. His bass is rotated to keep the neck high so that his wrist is straight - probably adapted from upright playing. Flatter fingers are OK, just be sure to keep them out of your own way.

What I don't like about what he does is to lift finger behind the fretting finger. That's just sloppy. Works for him, but it's sloppy.

But this is a great starting place, just keep all the fingers down.
 
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i just thought of something else...maybe there is some sort of underlying condition that the bass technique is exposing. you type a lot, you say--any issues with carpal tunnel syndrome or the like?

Not that I am aware of. I never have any pain, but I learned to type in a class many moons ago when that type of thing was a class, so my wrists are almost always straight. My new bass fits my body better than the Viola. It's just the normal bass body type. Before I couldn't even hold the bass the way it was shown in pictures. So there is that. I've been playing closer to what is shown in the video above, so if that is really bad, I'd like to be able to do better. I played violin and drum for years without any problems, except that when I switched from fiddle to violin there was a lot of bad habits to break. I want to get technique down that allows me to play well, but I probably won't ever be good enough or young enough at this point to be a rockstar, so I am keeping that in mind too...
 
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Who am I to argue with Caron, but there are some things that could be better for a beginner - remeber, he's been at it for a really long time and has developed what works for him.

First note that Caron is using more or less the Simandl method. The two middle fingers together is the giveaway. His bass is rotated to keep the neck high so that his wrist is straight - probably adapted from upright playing. Flatter fingers are OK, just be sure to keep them out of your own way.

What I don't like about what he does is to lift finger behind the fretting finger. That's just sloppy. Works for him, but it's sloppy.

But this is a great starting place, just keep all the fingers down.
And BTW - I learned my technique from a small woman who was a bassist for the Baltimore Symphony Orchestra. No slouch, her.