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[kavallero]

Hi all,

just completed my setup with MM JB MIJ, Eden Traveler 550 (USA made), Eden XLT210 cab.

Now, I need another cabinet and was thinking of Eden XST210, MarkBass STD 104HR, or something else.

A few gigs here and there but would like a full, Eden tone with good bottoms, punch and highs.

Any ideas, opinions, thanks.

 

[metermech]

Welcome first of all. When I played my all Eden rig I had the 210xlt and 212xlt and WT-800 and that was a solid setup. You also couldn't go wrong with the 210xst if you 'd like an all Eden rig. I can't speak on your other choices. Good luck...

 

[kavallero]

Welcome first of all. When I played my all Eden rig I had the 210xlt and 212xlt and WT-800 and that was a solid setup. You also couldn't go wrong with the 210xst if you 'd like an all Eden rig. I can't speak on your other choices. Good luck...

Thanks, what I've noticed is that the 210XLT has a bit more midrange, so probably another cabinet without it would be a good idea ..

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[Samatza]

I’ve been looking for some Eden cabs myself, the 1x12” in particular.

Thus far I’ve been using the GK Neo single 12” which on its own is a little midrange heavy but when I stacked a second one the bottom end was huge and incredibly loud even with Godzilla on drums.

So at the end of the day you may just need one more of the same cab to achieve your goal, I know the XST has more bottom but then the kids get a little scooped and you may miss that in live situations. The two cabs acoustically couple when stacked and provide an extension to the bottom end.

 

[kavallero]

The two cabs acoustically couple when stacked and provide an extension to the bottom end.

Thanks, I am aware of that, maybe another 210XLT or XST, whichever pops up first on the second-hand market in my area ...!

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[S-Bigbottom]

Thanks, I am aware of that, maybe another 210XLT or XST, whichever pops up first on the second-hand market in my area ...!

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That works.

Always be aware if you end up with the XST that the XLT's speakers can not take as much low end and you are at risk of blowing them if you get too loud or crazy with the bottom bass eq.

Enjoy!
Welcome to TalkBass.
Also, pictures of your current, as well as when you update your rig are always appreciate for us to enjoy with you.

 

[TheReceder]

Curious if you've ever tried the D210XLTs. The only issue I have is at my age the 68 lbs is getting to be more than I want to deal with.

 

[MrLenny1]

Another Eden 2x10 XLT stacked vertically.

 

[Rip Van Dan]

Hi all,

just completed my setup with MM JB MIJ, Eden Traveler 550 (USA made), Eden XLT210 cab.

Now, I need another cabinet and was thinking of Eden XST210, MarkBass STD 104HR, or something else.

A few gigs here and there but would like a full, Eden tone with good bottoms, punch and highs.

Any ideas, opinions, thanks.

Hey @kavallero,

The combination of the D210XLT with the D210XST is almost magical. It gets the best sounds out of both cabs. The D210XLT has a built in low-mid hump that just gives great presence in the mix and the addition of the D210XST gives it a really tight and low (30Hz) bottom end. The XST cabs have a very flat frequency curve and just has a really nice and tight low-end, while that D210XLT just says, "Hey, here's the bass in your face!" (in a good way).

Many years ago Eden made a D810XLT using 8 or their 10" XLT drivers. Not too long after the D410XST came out, they noticed the sales on the D810XLT diminished while the D410XLT and D410XST were being bought together instead of the 810XLT. Didn't take them too long to realize that they pairing of the XLT and XST sounded significantly better than the XLT by itself. So then Eden stopped making the D810XLT and started make the D810XT instead, which has 4 XLT speakers plus 4 XST speakers in it. The XLT with XST cabs are an ideal pairing and I highly recommend it.

in the many years that I was a moderator on the Eden forum, that was a very popular pairing that worked extremely well together. Had nothing but great reports of it. Another popular set up was the D212XLT (no longer made) with the D210XST. That was known on the Eden forum as the "Vinny Rig" from a fellow who just couldn't stop glowing and espousing how great it was. They do still make the D212XST and that would also be great paired with your D210XLT. Would be bulkier and heavier to move than the two 210's though.

 

[Rip Van Dan]

Thanks, what I've noticed is that the 210XLT has a bit more midrange, so probably another cabinet without it would be a good idea ..

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Which is exactly what the D210XST is. All of Eden's XLT cabs have a low-mid hump and their XST's all have lower frequency range and a very flat frequency response. Combination of the two is killer.

 

[Rip Van Dan]

I’ve been looking for some Eden cabs myself, the 1x12” in particular.

Thus far I’ve been using the GK Neo single 12” which on its own is a little midrange heavy but when I stacked a second one the bottom end was huge and incredibly loud even with Godzilla on drums.

So at the end of the day you may just need one more of the same cab to achieve your goal, I know the XST has more bottom but then the kids get a little scooped and you may miss that in live situations. The two cabs acoustically couple when stacked and provide an extension to the bottom end.

Yeah, the stacking of 112's is absolutely "a thing". I have two of the Eden EX-112 cabs which are their low-end series. Bought one for a small venue we play all the time and it sounded so good that I got a second one. I'd stack those for medium venues and they sounded really good. No question that acoustic coupling adds a lot on the bottom end.

And of course, Eden stopped making the single 12's in their EX series so once they are sold out they are gone. The D112XST's should still be available. If you're going to buy their top of the line though, I'd suggest you take a look at the DNA-112's (I am on their Endorsing Artists Roster).

David designed all those D-series Eden speakers when he owned Eden and his DNA-112's are better yet. They have a very flat frequency response, higher power handling, and will even sound good with a stand-up using a bow on the strings. I'd suggest putting in a little bit of low-mid boost to to them because it gives great definition and presence when playing in a group. Besides the fact that they are just better cabs than his D-series were (clearer, and more articulate, higher power handling), since Eden moved their cabinet manufacturing to the UK at their Marshall cab facility, their prices went up considerably and DNA cabs are less expensive than them now. Hard to beat better sounding and less expensive too.

Back to those inexpensive EX112's real quick though. They are very compact because they use a whizzer cone (cone within a cone) instead of a separate tweeter horn. I would not have considered it if a friend, Paul from the UK, had not recommended it continuously for about 4 years before I bought one. They don't sound as good as the D112XST cabs do but there's no where near $600 difference in the sound that there is in the D-series price tag. My EX112's were $269 each (handles 300-watts rms) and I continually got compliments on them when I used them.

Here's a shot of the set-up I used for medium-sized venues with two of them stacked on their sides, aligning their shelf ports. I bought the first one in 4 ohm so I did the same with the second one. Should have bought them in 8 ohm. They are so compact that even turning them sideways, my Eden WT500/800 amp hung over the sides.

Compare that to the next pic which is my small venue rig using just one EX-112 standing upright and a small and light Eden TN226 amp on top.

 

[Samatza]

Yeah, the stacking of 112's is absolutely "a thing". I have two of the Eden EX-112 cabs which are their low-end series. Bought one for a small venue we play all the time and it sounded so good that I got a second one. I'd stack those for medium venues and they sounded really good. No question that acoustic coupling adds a lot on the bottom end.

And of course, Eden stopped making the single 12's in their EX series so once they are sold out they are gone. The D112XST's should still be available. If you're going to buy their top of the line though, I'd suggest you take a look at the DNA-112's (I am on their Endorsing Artists Roster).

David designed all those D-series Eden speakers when he owned Eden and his DNA-112's are better yet. They have a very flat frequency response, higher power handling, and will even sound good with a stand-up using a bow on the strings. I'd suggest putting in a little bit of low-mid boost to to them because it gives great definition and presence when playing in a group. Besides the fact that they are just better cabs than his D-series were (clearer, and more articulate, higher power handling), since Eden moved their cabinet manufacturing to the UK at their Marshall cab facility, their prices went up considerably and DNA cabs are less expensive than them now. Hard to beat better sounding and less expensive too.

Back to those inexpensive EX112's real quick though. They are very compact because they use a whizzer cone (cone within a cone) instead of a separate tweeter horn. I would not have considered it if a friend, Paul from the UK, had not recommended it continuously for about 4 years before I bought one. They don't sound as good as the D112XST cabs do but there's no where near $600 difference in the sound that there is in the D-series price tag. My EX112's were $269 each (handles 300-watts rms) and I continually got compliments on them when I used them.

Here's a shot of the set-up I used for medium-sized venues with two of them stacked on their sides, aligning their shelf ports. I bought the first one in 4 ohm so I did the same with the second one. Should have bought them in 8 ohm. They are so compact that even turning them sideways, my Eden WT500/800 amp hung over the sides.
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Compare that to the next pic which is my small venue rig using just one EX-112 standing upright and a small and light Eden TN226 amp on top.
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Thanks for all the info, I’m going to check out the DNA gear and the EX112, your input is really helpful, thanks.
The EX112 rig looks really compact and will probably work well for me.

 

[kavallero]

@Rip Van Dan Wow, thank you very much, I can see plenty of knowledge and experience in your replies, your help is much appreciated!

For now I think I'll wait until either 210XLT or XST is available in my area ... I really like my 550 Traveler tone (with MM JB MIJ), but believe that the power rating is exaggerated although I'm using it with an XLT210 8 Ohms for now and it needs 4 Ohms to show its full potential (or even 2 Ohms). Another 8 Ohms cabinet and I'll be at 4 Ohms combined, and be able to better judge the power rating of the unit.

 

[kavallero]

Another Eden 2x10 XLT stacked vertically.

Do you find that you have enough bottom end with 2x10 XLT's and not too much middles?

Also, I thing that 210XST is bit smaller and lighter as well than XLT.

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[jjk2007]

I would try and get the 2X10 XST. I used to run a WT-500 with a 2X10 XLT on top and the 2X10 XST on bottom and it always sounded fantastic.

 

[Rip Van Dan]

Do you find that you have enough bottom end with 2x10 XLT's and not too much middles?

Also, I thing that 210XST is bit smaller and lighter as well than XLT.

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Yes to the first question and then some. It's just that later Eden design - the XST cabs - have a lower range bottom end and do that part better than the XLT's do. The XLT's have a LOW-mid hump, which is the bottom end of the mids and they are not what you are probably thinking about as "mid" cabs. Mids go from about 250Hz up to 2 or 2.2KHz. The XLT is a more aggressive sounding cab because of it's low mid hump voicing. It has a great sounding bottom end but it's not as tight and well-defined as the XST cabs. The XST needs to have a little boost in the low-mids to get a similarly aggressive sound. After David sold and left Eden his DNA cabs are a bit like his XST cabs on steroids and I personally dial in a little boost at about 250Hz to get that definition and presence that the XLT's just do by themselves.

It's actually easy to determine in the D-series 210 and 410 cabs whether they are XLT cabs or XST cabs by just looking at them:
• In the XLT 210's and 410's there are two shelf ports - one above the speakers and one below. The old D215XLT also had 2 shelf ports.

• In the XST 210 and 410 cabs there is only one shelf port below the speakers. The D112XLT and the D115XLT also had/have just a single shelf port like the XST speaker cabs so you have to pay attention to the backplate on the 112 for identity. There is no XST version of the 115 cab.

And, yes, the D210XST is about 9-lbs lighter than the XLT version, primarily because of the smaller cab size.

 

[S-Bigbottom]

It's actually easy to determine in the D-series 210 and 410 cabs whether they are XLT cabs or XST cabs by just looking at them:
• In the XLT 210's and 410's there are two shelf ports - one above the speakers and one below. The old D215XLT also had 2 shelf ports.

• In the XST 210 and 410 cabs there is only one shelf port below the speakers. The D112XLT and the D115XLT also had/have just a single shelf port like the XST speaker cabs so you have to pay attention to the backplate on the 112 for identity. There is no XST version of the 115 cab.

Be sure to read the back plate when seeing the single shelf port on the bottom as the D210T made before the XLT and XST series has the same look as the XST, but they sound different and handle a lot less power.

 

[Rip Van Dan]

Be sure to read the back plate when seeing the single shelf port on the bottom as the D210T made before the XLT and XST series has the same look as the XST, but they sound different and handle a lot less power.

Always a good idea to check that backplate and that D210T does look just like the XST version. The D410T doesn't have the shelf port but has the round port in the back of the cab, so that's pretty easy to spot, but the 210T looks like the XST and they were both sold concurrently during 2003 and 2004.

The last year for the "T" cabs was 2004 and the T cabs only came with banana connectors and 1/4" jacks, not speakons. The D210T handled 250-watts rms, the 210XLT handles 350-watts, and the 210XST handles 450-watts. So YEAH, check the backplate so you don't confuse the T with the XST. As @S-Bigbottom pointed out they sound a lot different and have much lower power-handling than the XST.

 

[kavallero]

As requested by previous poster herewith my little rig, minus another 210 that should be in soon ...

 

[quickervicar]

I toured/gigged for several years with just a D410XLT with NO problem having enough bottom end. It outperformed all other 410s of the time and everyone who played it seemed impressed by the low end grunt. I added a 210XST under it and it seemed to do nothing but improve the sound. The combo goes slightly deeper, yet will still growl and cut through the mix on a loud stage like an Eden should.

Since I'm not in a band anymore I find myself reaching for the XST set on its side for DB work. While not as deep or clear as my MAS18 for that work (what is?) it isn't far off and the audience certainly hasn't complained. The XST is a versatile cab in that regard.