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Waiting for guitar repair - suspense!

Killed_by_Death

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I bought a Washburn guitar today that had a speedloader Floyd Rose bridge on it, something I didn't even know existed & it makes it almost perfect for me, since I hate that you have to lock in the strings on standard FR bridge with the string locking screw & string lock insert block.

The one in the Washburn is set up so you can leave the ball ends on the strings & the string lock screws are really ferrules to hold the ball ends.

BTW, on a standard FR if you lose the string insert block (top right) when you've got it apart, you're screwed:

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It's missing the vibrato arm, but I can get one online for less than $15.

Like a big dummy I didn't test it out in the store. I went over it physically & decided it had no high frets & all the parts seemed to be in order, so I made an offer, counter offer, and cash purchase.

Got it home & the output was so low that I had to turn my 40 watt amp up halfway with the gain & drive maxed to hear it at a normal level (it should have been pretty loud), so there's definitely something wrong with it. I even tried another instrument cable, same thing.

Took it back to the shop just minutes after leaving with it, because I live literally a mile from the place, no dice on getting my money back, but the guy says he's going to have his guy look at it, but it will be a week.

I've been thinking about it ever since & I'm thinking about going back to the shop & asking for it back, to have a go at it myself or just take it to the local luthier & drop some cash to get it right.

A similar Ibanez would have cost me over 3x more & wouldn't have a speed loader FR.

What I'm afraid of is the guy will sell it out from under me. The only thing I have to show the police, in a dispute, is the tag from the headstock with a description & a date written on it.

The guy in the shop claims he's got a guy who comes around to look at stuff weekly, but to my memory this particular Washburn is the first new instrument he's acquired in quite a while, but obviously I'm not camped out at his store.
Although, I don't see a lot of movement in the inventory, so having a guy make weekly visits wouldn't make sense.
 
Unfortunately it's biases that I've built up over time & personal experience.
getting screwed over in a situation like this

The shop closes in 90 minutes, so I guess I had better make up my mind, or put it off until tomorrow...
I probably shouldn't be worried it would sell fast if he put it back out, but... the price is low in comparison to his other FR guitars.

I know, I'll go back now & pretend like I forgot to look at the amps in the back, which I did.
 
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It was too anemic to be pickup height, and from the one photo I took of it, height seems fine:

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I did go over there right after my last post & the guitar wasn't out on the rack for sale. I feigned interest in an Art Tube MP amp he had behind the counter & looked at their Blues Jr. amp in the back.
We got to talking & I felt reassured that he's not going to do anything fishy. I guess I was just being paranoid, because he's having to spend money to make it right, but I guess that would be what anyone would do if they were concerned about customer satisfaction.
I have shopped there for years & bought my first bass (Squier MB-4) in there.

and if it goes belly up I'll just say "I told you so!" & take it as a sign that I shouldn't own a guitar with a double-locking vibrato system

Right now I'm figuring I'll get it back just like I left it, and end up having to sort it out for myself. Surely the pickups can't be that weak, but I could always throw in a DiMarzio set like my S470 had in it.
maybe I'll get surprised & it will work like a charm when I get it back
 
I agree, it's probably a bad joint either at the volume, treble cut pot, or the jack itself. The jack was scratchy & I had to wiggle the plug a little, so that's probably it.
DOH!@
I didn't think to just put some contact cleaner on the plug & work it in & out a bit, may have fixed the problem.

I moved the switch through all positions & it was less than half the volume it should have been in all positions.
Maybe it's just that I'm used to hot pickups, but I hope the pickups in that thing aren't that anemic :wideyed:
 
I'm shy about soldering, but when I've done it I haven't fouled up all that badly. I might melt some wire jacket & have completely wrecked a pot with too much heat (de-soldering), but...
I did pretty darn good on my old Fender Blacktop.

but if I have too much trouble I'm not averse to paying the local luthier
I could spend a good bit of money on this one & still not reach what it would have cost to buy a similar Ibanez w/o the speedloader ferrules.
You almost have to buy Japanese if you want good pickups in an Ibanez guitar.
or just be prepared to change them
 
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I bought a Washburn guitar today that had a speedloader Floyd Rose bridge on it, something I didn't even know existed & it makes it almost perfect for me, since I hate that you have to lock in the strings on standard FR bridge with the string locking screw & string lock insert block.

The one in the Washburn is set up so you can leave the ball ends on the strings & the string lock screws are really ferrules to hold the ball ends.

BTW, on a standard FR if you lose the string insert block (top right) when you've got it apart, you're screwed:

571522d1468398065-floyd-rose-parts-question-fr-diagram.gif

It's missing the vibrato arm, but I can get one online for less than $15.

Like a big dummy I didn't test it out in the store. I went over it physically & decided it had no high frets & all the parts seemed to be in order, so I made an offer, counter offer, and cash purchase.

Got it home & the output was so low that I had to turn my 40 watt amp up halfway with the gain & drive maxed to hear it at a normal level (it should have been pretty loud), so there's definitely something wrong with it. I even tried another instrument cable, same thing.

Took it back to the shop just minutes after leaving with it, because I live literally a mile from the place, no dice on getting my money back, but the guy says he's going to have his guy look at it, but it will be a week.

I've been thinking about it ever since & I'm thinking about going back to the shop & asking for it back, to have a go at it myself or just take it to the local luthier & drop some cash to get it right.

A similar Ibanez would have cost me over 3x more & wouldn't have a speed loader FR.

What I'm afraid of is the guy will sell it out from under me. The only thing I have to show the police, in a dispute, is the tag from the headstock with a description & a date written on it.

The guy in the shop claims he's got a guy who comes around to look at stuff weekly, but to my memory this particular Washburn is the first new instrument he's acquired in quite a while, but obviously I'm not camped out at his store.
Although, I don't see a lot of movement in the inventory, so having a guy make weekly visits wouldn't make sense.


Did you not get a receipt when you bought it?
 
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The guy at the pawnshop was true to his word & I met the luthier & had a nice chat with him.
She's a screamer, unlike the Ibanez I used to have, the middle pickups is just as high output as the humbuckers are :woot:

All in (gig bag, vibrato arm, strap, & guitar) it cost me under $150, which is about 2.5x less than the Ibanez S520 series I was looking at (only the guitar, no accessories).
Now to perfect my pinch harmonics & vibrato squeals :p
 
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I'm not even a mediocre player & my recording gear consists of either my laptop or my Android phone. Ha, I only just thought I could probably use my Playstation USB microphone to record, but then we're back to the fact that I stink as a player.
The last time I posted clips my timing was brought into question as well as my hearing, and I chose to spend the rest of the day selling off half my gear.
 
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I'm not even a mediocre player & my recording gear consists of either my laptop or my Android phone. Ha, I only just thought I could probably use my Playstation USB microphone to record, but then we're back to the fact that I stink as a player.
The last time I posted clips my timing was brought into question as well as my hearing, and I chose to spend the rest of the day selling off half my gear.
I been at this forty years. There are some fine old tracks that were in regular rotation on regional radio. If you were watching TV in the late 80's you would have heard my playing on a couple of TV commercial jingles. But I would never ever ever offer any of my work for consumption on TB. I love the community here and I gained more knowledge here in a year that I struggled forty years to find on my own. But to offer up a recording here for critique? No way... I would rather hand feed sharks.
 
It took quite a bit of time & sweat, but I got it all set up perfectly now with new strings, then adjusted:

spring tension (top of bridge parallel with body)
truss rod (relief down to 0.010" from 0.015")
action (down to only 1/16" at 22nd fret, with no fret buzz)
intonation
pickup height

now all I need to do is put my cobalt flats back on my SRX, but I'll have some nosh first

So glad everything worked out with this guitar, no inconspicuous faults that I didn't discover in the shop :woot: