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Wal tone, without the Wal price.
- Thread starter mitchgilbert
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My '84 Precision Elite II through my rig - GK 1001 RB-II, SWR Workingman's Tower (8x10) - would fool any ear.
OT: Can someone recommend a Tool tune where I don't have to wait a minute for the music to start?
Seriously, every time anyone's pointed me to a cool Tool tune on YouTube it's had this long drawn-out intro that is so unengaging that I rarely have had the patience to wait for the song to "start" (sic).
I think they're a cool band, but I wish I could find some of their tunes where they front-load the meat.
And I thought I had a short attention span...
I've seen a few... they may have been in the prototyping period.. there's commonly a short production while they're figuring stuff out.
bl2112 said:
Notice we see threads for getting the tones of Justin Chancellor / Geddy Lee / Tim Commorford / Misc aggressive sounding crunchy bass player, and generally the same suggestions fit the bill for any of em, except when someone asks about a specific effect used in a specific song. I could go to my jamspot and start playing Tool songs that sound 95% accurate with my Ibanez SR, VT Bass, tamely set Big Muff and Ampeg SvT3Pro. The other 5% is either the Wal or technique
don't know about the 95%, but I guess you can get pretty darn close.
I think that if you get the same cab/amp set up, or atleast close to it, you can get very close to his tone.
I went to the dealer to try a stingray, plugged it into a mesa 8x10+M9, damn... that was close to justin's tone, but than I remembered that I can't buy 8x10, M9 and a stingray.
So I'll just get the stingray... for now... muhahaha, 8x10 and M9 are so on my GAS list!
I bet that if you have a 2001rb, mesa 8x10 and a stingray you'll get alot of the sound justin has... but for almost the same price you can get a brand new wal, wal is probably the better option. ^_^
I'm so GASing for a wal, after I'll get my money from the insurance, I'm going to order one... then wait 15 months for them to build it. =/
Yeah I've always been a big fan of Stingrays but have never have the chance to try one (mostly because I think I'd fall a bit too in love and dye because I can't afford it).
But thanks fellas, I'll have a look around
But thanks fellas, I'll have a look around
As a Wal owner I can tell you that about 30% of his tone comes directly from the combination of a Wal and Mesa Boogie speakers. And, the combination of the Wal preamp playing dirty when pushed through the rat makes for a lot of his sound. Add the GK grind and you get the solid "oomph" low end and highly defined mids.
The preamp reacts a certain way when pushed through dirt pedals. It is what works to get his delicious grind.
The preamp reacts a certain way when pushed through dirt pedals. It is what works to get his delicious grind.
pablomigraine
Commercial User
EMG + Audere
Correct. OP, the sound you're after is available for like $600. Guy buy yourself a Sterling BY Musicman Ray34, string it with extra lite D'Addario steels, and you're there!
I recorded The Pot a few months ago with my Sterling 4 HH strung with EB coated strings through a Pearce BC-1 preamp.Used all 4 coils, scoop the mids a bit,and add a little grit,not much,and it sounded fine.
LOL! The irony is that I can listen to, say, a Morton Feldman string quartet and be completely enraptured >90 minutes in to what is by all intentions a lethargic plodding morass of nothingness...and yet 60 seconds into these Tool tunes I'm still waiting for the song to start.
Justin's tone is based on Paul's tone, which originated from a Rickenbacker 4001CS in the 1993 album Undertow (and an Ovation Magnum before that). It's crunchy but also very deep. I think Justin tried to channel this a lot when he abandoned his original Stingray for the Wal he first acquired, although he seems to favor more highs and fewer lows than Paul did. There's a demo of Ænima out there with Paul on bass and it's pretty much half of the record note-for-note the same, except you can hear more low end and less clank with Paul.
I have heard others playing a Wal that sounded nothing like Justin (same goes for Rics and Paul). So I don't think the Wal is a requirement. Are you also going to mimic his live rig?? Good luck!
I have heard others playing a Wal that sounded nothing like Justin (same goes for Rics and Paul). So I don't think the Wal is a requirement. Are you also going to mimic his live rig?? Good luck!
mitchgilbert said:Yeah I've always been a big fan of Stingrays but have never have the chance to try one (mostly because I think I'd fall a bit too in love and dye because I can't afford it).
But thanks fellas, I'll have a look around
Yeah, every time I play a Stingray I want to buy one. They are pretty amazing. I just love the sound and the way they play.
Not in the slightest, I was merely looking around for a bass with similar tone characteristics to what Justin gets.
I could never afford anything like that, EVER.
This is merely for fun purposes, I'm not in a serious band at the moment and just want to broaden my horizons a little bit.
I've been a Fender player for years and have played in several blues bands, but now I'm trying to expand my playing and trying to do that on my Jazz isn't turning out well.
I'm going to start looking around at some Sterling Rays and possibly even a Mesa cab.
You might be able to improve on a Sterling 34 if you go with a G&L Tribute for a pretty similar cost, greater tonal variety and control.. oh crap, what am I doing? ;-)
i mean they are both under the sun in the same area. but i'd say justin and geddy sound totally different. not so much as the tone, but style and complexity a bit more.
rockstarbassist
Inactive
+1111
if you equate Geddy and Justin's tone, I'd probably just sell it all and quit now.
Also I've had two Wals, and yes you can get close with other stuff, but really a Wal just has a little bit of magic to it nothing else quite gets for that style, at least recorded. Live, there's more wiggle room. Having Evil Joe Baressi as your engineer doesn't hurt.
