Warning: Vintage Bass Candy found in attic

[GlennW]

People that take advantage of other people are scumbags. Bottom line. And don't worry, if your a scumbag, you probably are in denial or too conceited to acknowledge it, so no damage done.

I'm kind of old school like that and proud of it.

I guess your definition of "old school" means your opinion on something overrides the law, and gives you the right to toss out a few insults just for grins.

Here's an idea. All you guys who think the guy who legally bought the house (and bass) is screwing the seller by keeping the bass can put your money where your mouths are and contribute to a donation for the guy who sold the house. It's a win/win/win: the guy who legally bought the bass keeps the bass; the guy who sold the house gets some money; the guys who contributed can feel good knowing that they've done something nice and aren't scumbags.

 

[subopposite]

Sounds good GlennW. How did you know that I was talking about overriding the law.

I guess I wasn't too clear. For me, if say I offered this man $200.00 for a say $2000.00 bass, knowing that I was lowballing him, then I would be a scumbag. Very simple. That is my opinion and it won't change.

I respect the original poster for his integrity. He's a good guy.

 

[GlennW]

How did you know that I was talking about overriding the law.

I figured you were implying that the guy who bought the house was a scumbag because he hasn't offered to give the bass to the guy who sold the house. I'm pretty sure what is and what is not included in the sale is specified in the legal contract. Legally, the bass is his. He isn't obligated to run down the guy who sold the house and give it back to him, which obviously would be a nice thing to do.

What if he'd found a few holes in the roof while in the attic, and no bass? That would be the buyer's tough luck, and the seller wouldn't be responsible for giving the buyer a partial refund (depending how the contract is worded).

 

[Spinal Tapper]

I guess I wasn't too clear. For me, if say I offered this man $200.00 for a say $2000.00 bass, knowing that I was lowballing him, then I would be a scumbag. Very simple. That is my opinion and it won't change.

Well lowballing and getting a deal where both parties are satisfied are two very different things. No one here implied he should try and buy the bass for next to nothing (except for a few who were joking, I'm sure).

I suggested maybe offer $1000-$1500 to the guy who didn't know what he had anyways. This is what I call getting a good deal. It's a win/win.

Bassist gets a sweet bass for a nice price, and guy who doesn't know anything about basses is $1000 richer.

If the guy who found the bass that he knows nothing about, wants to try and auction this instrument off to the sharks on Ebay, and deal with photos, questions from bidders, shipping, and insurance (not to mention all of the fraudulent buyers out there) then he should try to get his $2k+ for it.

I think both parties would be happier if they settled on a local deal.

 

[subopposite]

I agree.

 

[jfh2424]

Here's an idea. All you guys who think the guy who legally bought the house (and bass) is screwing the seller by keeping the bass can put your money where your mouths are and contribute to a donation for the guy who sold the house. It's a win/win/win: the guy who legally bought the bass keeps the bass; the guy who sold the house gets some money; the guys who contributed can feel good knowing that they've done something nice and aren't scumbags.

I'm in for that. Count me in for a donation to the original owner as long as he also gets his bass back. Clearly, this guy is down on his luck. Giving him a donation and not his bass seems rather strange.

I don't mind putting my money where my mouth is. I guess you are in too, Glenn W? After all, you are talking about putting our money where our mouth is. I guess it includes you? The original poster too?

John

 

[GlennW]

Guess again, John. I'm one of the guys whos says the new legal owner of the bass is the new legal owner of the bass, and I feel no inclination to make a donation to the guy who left it in the attic. He abandoned the bass all by himself.

 

[king_biscuit]

Guess again, John. I'm one of the guys whos says the new legal owner of the bass is the new legal owner of the bass, and I feel no inclination to make a donation to the guy who left it in the attic. He abandoned the bass all by himself.

Right. In my state, if a homeowner (or tenant in a rental) leaves a home after a foreclosure, anything he leaves behind becomes the new owners property. The leaving homeowner has plenty of time to get all of his/her stuff out, btw.

 

[MrRiff]

This is an interesting thread and brings up moral and ethical issues, problem is none of us know all the details as to why it was left in the attic. Did the original owner leave it because he's ill or was unable to go back and get it is he deceased or didn't care and so on. That said it's better to tilt toward having compasion for this unforunate player while understand the new owner and OP din't do anything wrong.

 

[AltGrendel]

This is an interesting thread and brings up moral and ethical issues, problem is none of us know all the details as to why it was left in the attic. Did the original owner leave it because he's ill or was unable to go back and get it is he deceased or didn't care and so on. That said it's better to tilt toward having compasion for this unforunate player while understand the new owner and OP din't do anything wrong.

I agree, and I'll bet the previous owner simply forgot it's there in all the confusion.

 

[uglyrumor]

I'm reminded of a quote of Andrew Jackson's when he was a judge in Tennessee before his presidency, and I bungle the quote thusly:

Don't worry about what is legal...do what is right.

Quotation marks intentionally disregarded, as the sentiment is correct, but the exact words maybe not.

 

[jfh2424]

Guess again, John. I'm one of the guys whos says the new legal owner of the bass is the new legal owner of the bass, and I feel no inclination to make a donation to the guy who left it in the attic. He abandoned the bass all by himself.

I guess when you mentionned making a donation, I assume it included you but I can see that is not the case. Interesting that you propose that we "put our money where our mouth is", propose a donation and then...I guess you were suggesting that others donate, but not you. I don't really understand that, but oh, well.

This man lost his house and his bass. It probably is all legal. The question is wether anyone wants to rectify this, if only to let him know about the bass. But I guess not. There are atrocities done every day in a legal manner. It does not make them right. Countries go to war and kill millions of people while following the letter of international law. It is all legal and approved by everyone, as long as they are not the ones being killed. Like the guys who put this man out of his home. They agree with this as long as they are not losing their businesses.

The owners of businesses who put people out of their homes seem to be one of a very small group of people who get bailed out when they aren't able to meet their legal obligations. If they fall behind on their payments, they run to the government in order to get money to bail them out even if "legally", they should lose their business. Unfortunately, this man is simply a common man, so he loses everything. While the very same people who get bailouts explain to him that it is legal and right.

Crazy, crazy world! But hey, it's legal, it must be all right. I'm sure it makes the original owner of the house feel better when he hears that. His problem is not that he could not pay his mortgage, it's that he is not part of the people in our society who is valued. So he loses!

John

 

[king_biscuit]

I agree, and I'll bet the previous owner simply forgot it's there in all the confusion.

I'll bet the guy didn't know much about the bass at all (including its value), or it wouldn't have been in the attic!

 

[nic salsus]

I'm reminded of a quote of Andrew Jackson's when he was a judge in Tennessee before his presidency, and I bungle the quote thusly:

Don't worry about what is legal...do what is right.

+1
I've sold instruments I probably should have kept to put them in the hands of people I knew would play them when I wasn't. Part of doing what's right here is that this nice old bass goes to someone who will love and play it.

 

[GlennW]

I guess when you mentionned making a donation, I assume it included you but I can see that is not the case. Interesting that you propose that we "put our money where our mouth is", propose a donation and then...I guess you were suggesting that others donate, but not you. I don't really understand that, but oh, well.

I guess you might be a troll. Reread my post at the top of this page and then quote the part where I indicate I was interested in making a donation. I never implied any such thing; I suggested a course of action for all those who feel the guy should be paid something for the bass that HE LEFT IN THE ATTIC AND SOLD WITH THE HOUSE. I hope that's clear enough for you to understand.

It doesn't matter if it's a bass or Mary Washington's chamber pot; he sold it with the house. I guess if this was TCP (TalkChamberPot) no one would care about the bass.

All this "right thing" stuff. Since you're so interested in the "right thing" I assume that you've contacted the OP to try to get a lead on the whereabouts of the guy who sold the house so you can send him a donation.

Oh? You haven't? You'd rather just criticize others and post a bunch of bs on the internet and not actually DO "the right thing".

 

[jfh2424]

Glenn, my friend, I didn't mean to make you defensive in this topic. I just find it interesting that you suggest a donation for others but not for yourself. If this is not the case, please clarify. Perhaps I misunderstood. Either way, I don't know see why you need to be defensive. You are entitled to your opinion, even if you are not willing to pay. You don't need to be defensive.

About being a troll...well, I've been accused of numerous things, but a troll? Nope, I am a person!

And I am ready to "do the right thing". I am ready to forgo some of my cash in this case. You are not. It does not mean I am "right" and you are "wrong". I said I would give cash on the condition of giving this guy back his bass. That is my condition. Dude, why is this "posting bs on the internet"? Because my donation in this case is not the way you want it to be? Surely you don't think you are the only one who can decide about donations, Glenn. Here's how it works: I point out where I am willing to contribute, you point out that you are not willing to part with your cash, that's it! Everyone is happy! But no one tells the other what to do!

Perhaps we have different views on "the right thing". That's cool. As far as I know, this is a free forum. Up until your statement about slinging bs, it seems the discussion was rather civil. People can disagree and still feel they are doing the "right thing". It's interesting that you seem to feel that doing the right thing is a specific set of actions decided by you. I never said that anyone is doing anything wrong. That seems to be coming from you. The direct accusations, Glenn, are coming from you. I have merely pointed out what I think, why, and what I am willing to do.

Again, why is this such a challenge to you?

Take care!

John

 

[king_biscuit]

Glenn, my friend, I didn't mean to make you defensive in this topic. I just find it interesting that you suggest a donation for others but not for yourself.

I'm just a disinterested bystander but I think Glenn was merely challenging you and the others lamenting about the plight of the basses original owner to step up and actually do something -- I didn't see where Glenn was guilty of any such lamenting I'm with Glenn on this one, and that bass was abandoned -- why would Glenn send anybody anything? As far as I'm concerned, the new homeowner owns the bass.

 

[michael_atw]

All I know is, if it was musty and moldy...it's probably not as good as bass as we're all thinking it is.

 

[jfh2424]

I think Glenn was merely challenging you and the others lamenting about the plight of the basses original owner to step up and actually do something.

Yep, and I did. I just find it interesting that I am willing to do something at his request that he clearly is not willing to do himself. So I guess the challenge (if it was a challenge!) was answered.

Don't know why I would challenge someone to do something if I was not willing to do it myself, but I guess we are all different!

Dudes, I am going to play bass!

John

 

[GlennW]

"I know when I'm licked...all over." FZ

John, my best pal, you've made the list.