Was told not to turn my amp on!

I would turn my amp up as loud as I always do. it's his job to deal with the FOH , your job to to deal with Stage Volume. Sounds like he does not know how to deal with his job

 

he knows the sound of his venue better than you do. he knows you want to hear yourself, but he knows what itll do if your amp is cranked..

ive had worse sound guy experiences..

 

Couldn't you have asked for more of yourself in the monitor(s)?

 

Shucks, I've had soundguys ask us to quit.

 

You keep your volume down yet you wear earplugs. Doesn't make much sense to me.

 

Every soundguy needs to:
- compromise between his and the band members' perceptions of a good sound, and prioritize the latter
- respect every musicians' right to have their own sound
- make sure the musician can hear his own sound as clearly as possible on stage.

The soundguy should assume our amps are a part of our sound as much as the guitar amp is for a guitarist. Obviously the best thing for him would be if he could have every instrument dead silent until he pushes the faders. However, that will not be the case unless the band is prepared to and comfortable doing that.

My guess is that that particular soundguy will not be very long in the business. I can't imagine the guitarists liked to setup with their cabs facing away from them either.

Personally, I would have turned up my amp to a comfortable level. I'm convinced that in a venue with 500 people, its effect on the FOH sound would have been negligible. Boomy sound? Turn down the bass knob. That's why the eq is there.

 

I suppose if you got there on time the sound guy would of had more time to explain his reasoning in a nicer way.
Sometimes you have to trust people to know what they're doing.
You did say he was the regular soundguy at " big, big nighclub in Chicagoland".
I'd have to trust him.
Just give me plenty of monitor.

 

i never trust the monitor. they can never seem to get it right, no matter what i ask them to put in there. i dont need drums.. im damn near sitting on them. i need 1 1/2 guitars (because the other is right next to me) and a little bit of vocal. we try to keep stage volume low because our drummer is a jazz musician and he throws a fit if things are too loud.

i was having trouble with a bassy stage a few weeks back. after noticing that my typically extremely articulate amp was feeding me mud, i grabbed the master bass knob and turned it down. and down. and down. until it was something like 15 dB less bass.

i asked the FOH mixer to give me bass in my monitors, but high pass it, because i have plenty of low, just cant hear notes (he had mentioned that my 4x10 was plenty and i shouldnt need any house support. this was brilliant.. hooray mind numbing stage volume). he says "turn your amp up." he was a great guy, and he took care of us, but thats the sort of crap i always get when it comes to monitors.

ill set my amp according to the drums so *I* can hear it, everyone else can adjust to me and the drums. theres always plenty of guitar to go around.. they'll be fine.

 

First off, no excuse for being late, you should of gotten there on time.

It is the sound guys room and he knows what works best. If he says don't use use an amp, then don't. But it's your resposibilty to ask for bass in the monitor.

Besides, that rig doesn't sound like it was going to sound any good out front, so ditch the ego and let the man do his job.

Andy

 

well i usually come down on the side of the soundman if he knows what he's doing. however, he should be able to provide you with a monitor mix if he wants you off. I would have turned my amp sideways for a side fill effect and maybe cut the lows on my amp so i didn't rattle the stage (some stages are terrible with this). that way i could at least hear myself.

but you shouldn't have been late. next time i'd have a discussion with this cat and the band before the show to come up with a solution for everyone.

 

Actually, the mission is to provide quality musical entertainment ... and that's the job of everyone involved. More bands should learn to trust the sound man ... especially in his own "house".

 

I often play without amp.

If I know that the venue I'm playing have decent monitors , it's a big pleasure to leave my amp home.

I always bring my IEM just in case.....

 

Did you get any feedback from trusted ears on how you sounded out in the house?

My similar experience: all set up and ready to go 10 minutes early, the sound guy hands me the DI (asks me if I know how to use it) and suggests that I just go thru the PA and leave the amp off. I ask him (nicely) if I can go into the amp first and take the DI feed out of the amp, he says OK but insists that the amp be turned down to 2 or less (no sound check yet, just 15 seconds of giving orders while hovering around behind my rig plugging things into things). I'm not very experienced, and there was no time for a short course on room/stage acoustics, so I went with the flow and all was well, mostly. I was able to later hear a Zoom H2 recording made at one of the tables, and the bass was a tad weak but not too bad. Here's the thing: I was all jazzed up about using my recently-assembled rig - a vintage WEST Fillmore with 1x15 and 2x10 cabs (you know, that whole tube thing) - and what came out into the room was solid-state garden-variety PA sound. At least I could hear my rig, even if nobody in the audience could. So I felt mildy wronged, I got over it halfway thru the first number, and filed it away as a learning experience.

But here's the other thing: in the "real" band that played next, the one we opened for, the bass player had his speaker miked. No DI. Believe me, I watched carefully. They sounded magnificent - tightest blues quintet I've ever heard, and the bass curled toes.

 

Sounds like a legit reason for him not to want the amp onstage. Although he should have been able to put enough of you into your monitor that you wouldn't have needed the amp up there anyway.

 

A good soundguy at a good club that pulls that kind of crowd should be able to provide you with enough of a monitor mix to hear yourself. I side with soundguys only when they know what they're doing. Asking you to listen to yourself from the FOH is certainly NOT indicative of a good soundguy.