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well...... i'm an idiot

#21
ehque said:
Doesn't the ABS pump the brakes for you? At least that's what i learned in driving school.
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Yes it does, but it does it rapidly.
When you're on a slippery surface, with the tires sliding you have to release the brakes if you want to get any steering going on at all, and even then trying to steer too much will get you again out of control.

I'm surprised that the driving training in Canada doesn't include any training on a slippery surface, in Finland there are two long sessions of driving in a training area with curves covered with oiled metal sheets.

Of course, when it's snowing it's just best to take the curves a bit slower. Unless you're driving a military truck on a small road in the woods. even a 13t 6x6 slides quite nicely :)
 
#23
I'm assuming from your post that your friends don't drive.

Never, ever, ever take advice on driving from someone who doesn't have a license. Their experience is based on what they've seen in the movies, or playing computer games. Even if you are waiting at a junction and they tell you that the road is clear and it is safe to pull out, don't believe them.

S.P.
 
#25
Your title says it all. If you don't know how to drive a vehicle in bad weather, go find a big, empty parking lot and learn.
ABS / 4 wheel drive / AWD are NOT "safer" in winter. 4 wheels will still slide just as easily as two on a given condition, and ABS is a joke even on dry roads.
Begin with NOT hammering on the brakes when you slide; that's generally the worst thing you can do.
 
#27
Barfly said:
That Subi is better than a 4x4.

Anyway, OT, stop being an idiot driver. Tell your friends to shut up next time and concentrate.
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You can get one of those (the 6x6 truck, 12-13tonnes) to a nice slide, even on gravel (my service ended only 2 months ago and now time has already made those into great memories, instead of the "**** I hate this ****"). 4x4 means nothing if you drive recklessly.
 
#28
If you're going to do crap like that, at least learn how to do it right in a large, open area that doesn't have traffic or poles to run into. I really think it's a good idea for all drivers to take their car out to a large open parking lot and learn how to properly deal with sliding. I taught myself how to control a sliding car in icy parking lots, and it has saved my butt more than a few times, especially last winter when I had to drive a big rear-wheel-drive delivery van in one of the worst ice storms in recent memory.
 
#29
stylonpilson said:
I'm assuming from your post that your friends don't drive.

Never, ever, ever take advice on driving from someone who doesn't have a license. Their experience is based on what they've seen in the movies, or playing computer games. Even if you are waiting at a junction and they tell you that the road is clear and it is safe to pull out, don't believe them.

S.P.
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Oh no the idiots drive thats the worst part, and they have done worse things then me while driving. Hell i didn't even have the car floored the rpms were just up, it was a fairly modest maneuver at least anywhere else it would be. I made my full stop (always do) and turned and gave a bit of gas when i did, i was actually going straight when the car caught out of balance and "spun" i wasn't trying to drift through the corner. Oh and yes the road was empty and wasn't stupid enough to do this around cars, just stupid enough to do it in the first place.
 
#30
bassman1185 said:
If you're going to do crap like that, at least learn how to do it right in a large, open area that doesn't have traffic or poles to run into. I really think it's a good idea for all drivers to take their car out to a large open parking lot and learn how to properly deal with sliding. I taught myself how to control a sliding car in icy parking lots, and it has saved my butt more than a few times, especially last winter when I had to drive a big rear-wheel-drive delivery van in one of the worst ice storms in recent memory.
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Thats what i did right after (stupid parking lot wasn't snowy enough and oh boy NOW the car holds), infact thats what i will do, my dad laughed at the idea before when i got my permit last winter even though i told him it was important.

Also this has taught me to drive like a conservative driver wayyyyyy morrrrrre my friends complain i'm "slow" they can shove it now if they want a drive i'm driving like that all the time.
 
#31
KingCrimson said:
Oh no the idiots drive thats the worst part, and they have done worse things then me while driving. Hell i didn't even have the car floored the rpms were just up, it was a fairly modest maneuver at least anywhere else it would be. I made my full stop (always do) and turned and gave a bit of gas when i did, i was actually going straight when the car caught out of balance and "spun" i wasn't trying to drift through the corner. Oh and yes the road was empty and wasn't stupid enough to do this around cars, just stupid enough to do it in the first place.
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You don't need to be W.O.T. to be redlining.
Sadly, since it wasn't a drift attempt gone bad as I thought from your first post, that means even more - you don't know how to handle a car at slow speeds without traction. A simple fishtail is a very simple situation to get out of, and the way it was apparently handled was entirely incorrect. Hopefully you learned more about driving from the experience.
I still suggest just going out and finding a nice lot to screw around in. It might be another few weeks until they're slippery enough, but it'll pay off once you get that under your belt. Practice variable settings and speeds, see what you can recover from, and see what would've been an accident. I've even gone so far to setup courses and obstacles for people to practice on.
 
#32
Ray Salamon said:
You don't need to be W.O.T. to be redlining.
Sadly, since it wasn't a drift attempt gone bad as I thought from your first post, that means even more - you don't know how to handle a car at slow speeds without traction. A simple fishtail is a very simple situation to get out of, and the way it was apparently handled was entirely incorrect. Hopefully you learned more about driving from the experience.
I still suggest just going out and finding a nice lot to screw around in. It might be another few weeks until they're slippery enough, but it'll pay off once you get that under your belt. Practice variable settings and speeds, see what you can recover from, and see what would've been an accident. I've even gone so far to setup courses and obstacles for people to practice on.
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But it didn't end up a fishtail it was a "drift" that wasn't attempted to be one, anyways i should stop justifying myself i was wrong here and i fully acknowledge that. I've been in sliding cars before and done fine just this time, I realllllly need to learn to counter steer, because this will for sure happen more in the future unitentionally of course but i should learn.
 
#34
KingCrimson said:
But it didn't end up a fishtail it was a "drift" that wasn't attempted to be one, anyways i should stop justifying myself i was wrong here and i fully acknowledge that. I've been in sliding cars before and done fine just this time, I realllllly need to learn to counter steer, because this will for sure happen more in the future unitentionally of course but i should learn.
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That can happen, it's one of those things you just need to be prepared for.

I learned how to drive this stuff in an '88 TransAm.

I've noticed that when helping people (especially with drag racing), reactions seem to be something some people get just naturally, and other people don't. However, I've yet to meet a person that we haven't been able to hone down and make their reactions MUCH better than they were otherwise.

Just like most things, Practice makes perfect.
 
#38
Ray Salamon said:
That can happen, it's one of those things you just need to be prepared for.

I learned how to drive this stuff in an '88 TransAm.

I've noticed that when helping people (especially with drag racing), reactions seem to be something some people get just naturally, and other people don't. However, I've yet to meet a person that we haven't been able to hone down and make their reactions MUCH better than they were otherwise.

Just like most things, Practice makes perfect.
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I agree. I drive a 1987 GMC Caballero (Chevy El Camino) daily. RWD with little weight in the back end. The thing fishtails like a beast in snow, and rain isn't pretty either.

I took it to a vacant parking lot my first winter with it and really got to know the car inside and out. I've fishtailed a bit on roads, and have never failed to catch it.

Practice does make perfect.
 
#39
Not all cars have ABS. And even so, like other people have said, why rely on a man made device to drive you to safety.

The safest way to do it, is to not have to use the ABS. Pump the brakes, and youll be able to steer yourself to safety(most of the time anyways).
 
#40
Take this as a lesson learned,be grateful no one's hurt.

Sometimes when friends say "hit it!" some one goes to the grave and the other to prison.Cars are not toys,grow up or give up the car.

Sorry if I'm harsh,some people I know died in cars,I almost died in a car with my family,I have no tolerance for stupidity inside a car.
 

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