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well...... i'm an idiot

#41
funkybass4ever said:
people here in So Cal drive bad enough in the rain, if it snowed here every pole in the city would have a car around it
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Oh man that is so true. I hate driving in the rain, not because I have any problems, but im always scared some tard is going to hit me. Once I was on the freeway, everyone was moving steadily, and then there was a bunch of traffic ahead. I was in the fast line, and came to a stop with the other cars. This car that was a ways behind me slams on its breaks, narrowly misses me as the fly past me on the inner shoulder. Scared the crap outta me, the bastard!
 
#44
Well moral of the story now

I have driving limits---no surprise there

no more driving in this slick weather where its THAT bad
can only drive to see girl or band, basically everything has to have a reason, no more going out with friends for the heck of it.
I'm going to learn how to do skid control in a big parking lot with my dad.
Ive learned 100% now that no more stupid crap like this in the car, uh uh driving conservatively like i do 90% of the time is now 100% of the time. I want to be the one complaining about other drivers stupidity.

have to pay the 1000$ damage in the spring after winter

jeese thats lucky, to be honest I'm fond of taking a break from driving.


I AM GLAD THIS HAPPENED so it cost me 1000$ and an almost revoked licence, the experience was worth it, better i learn how to counter steer now then in mid winter when it happens unexpectedly in a worse situation and i don't know what to do.

Hope my friends learned too one of em is such a reckless driver, hope he now values his big truck more to not be drifting with it.

Jeese i'm an idiot, a very very lucky idiot.
 
#45
KingCrimson said:
Well moral of the story now

I have driving limits---no surprise there

no more driving in this slick weather where its THAT bad
can only drive to see girl or band, basically everything has to have a reason, no more going out with friends for the heck of it.
I'm going to learn how to do skid control in a big parking lot with my dad.
Ive learned 100% now that no more stupid crap like this in the car, uh uh driving conservatively like i do 90% of the time is now 100% of the time. I want to be the one complaining about other drivers stupidity.

have to pay the 1000$ damage in the spring after winter

jeese thats lucky, to be honest I'm fond of taking a break from driving.


I AM GLAD THIS HAPPENED so it cost me 1000$ and an almost revoked licence, the experience was worth it, better i learn how to counter steer now then in mid winter when it happens unexpectedly in a worse situation and i don't know what to do.

Hope my friends learned too one of em is such a reckless driver, hope he now values his big truck more to not be drifting with it.

Jeese i'm an idiot, a very very lucky idiot.
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No need to be so hard on yourself :). Just learn from it, and make sure to not make the same mistake twice.
The roads are not your playground, whether empty or full of vehicles. You now realize this; good thing.
You also realize where your driving limit currently lies; this is a good thing. Work on improving that, as you said you will.

I suggest now that you have a general taste of how much fun that can be, find some nice spots where you can go and screw around on as recklessly as you'd like and not have to worry. A couple of the track near my house just unlock the gate in winter with a GIANT sign stating you are responsible for your own actions. I enjoy from time to time taking a vehicle and just putting it entirely out of control. Couple of buddies and I have junker cars we take out and just beat the ever living heck out of on that track on a yearly basis. Nothing like approacing a J corner at 70 MPH on snow and ice, on street radial tires (sometimes winter tires, always non-stud types though). Talk about an amazing feeling to nail that corner, and a scary one to figure out that you're not going to make it, and that damn fence sure is getting close, FAST. :D
 
#48
KeithBMI said:
I think my racing video game said it best:

"Friction used for braking can't be used for turning... friction used for accelerating can't be used for turning..."

and so on and so forth.

Makes sense to me.
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The real saying is from an Andretti, I think.
It went more along the lines that:
"Your tires can give 100% and only 100%. That can be used for accelerating, braking, or steering. Once you try to do to much of one or a combination of these, you will lose you traction".
 
#49
I live in Florida and have never driven in snow, so what would the proper way to react to a situation like this?

I would assume that the most important thing is to not slam on the brakes, since locked tires can't steer, as mentioned before. But is it necessary to brake at all? It seems to me that what happened was that he sent too much power through the rear wheels (even though he was in an AWD car), causing them to lose traction. The back end then came out (oversteer). Wouldn't the best thing to do be to counter steer, then gently back off the throttle, allowing the rears to gain some more traction without shifting the weight violently forward? Pressing the brakes will just unload the rears even more, making the slide worse.

Alternately, since he was in an AWD car, couldn't he use some power to pull himself out of it? I know in a FWD car, you can usually recover from oversteer by countersteering and adding some throttle. The throttle causes the front to lose a little traction while the rears gain some. In an AWD Subaru, from what I've read, the center differential will send the power to the front wheels in this situation, so you can just steer where you want to go, apply power, and the car will straighten itself out.

Hopefully some of you who have actually driven in snow can tell me if I am right, since all of this is based on my knowledge of racing theory and limited autocross experience.
 
#50
Top Gear said:
I live in Florida and have never driven in snow, so what would the proper way to react to a situation like this?

I would assume that the most important thing is to not slam on the brakes, since locked tires can't steer, as mentioned before. But is it necessary to brake at all? It seems to me that what happened was that he sent too much power through the rear wheels (even though he was in an AWD car), causing them to lose traction. The back end then came out (oversteer). Wouldn't the best thing to do be to counter steer, then gently back off the throttle, allowing the rears to gain some more traction without shifting the weight violently forward? Pressing the brakes will just unload the rears even more, making the slide worse.

Alternately, since he was in an AWD car, couldn't he use some power to pull himself out of it? I know in a FWD car, you can usually recover from oversteer by countersteering and adding some throttle. The throttle causes the front to lose a little traction while the rears gain some. In an AWD Subaru, from what I've read, the center differential will send the power to the front wheels in this situation, so you can just steer where you want to go, apply power, and the car will straighten itself out.

Hopefully some of you who have actually driven in snow can tell me if I am right, since all of this is based on my knowledge of racing theory and limited autocross experience.
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Please don't make me feel like a bigger idiot :p it was a simple maneuvre that could get me outta the situation.

You are dead on my friend thats what we're told to do thats what i should have done but i froze up and didn't.
 
#51
Ray Salamon said:
No need to be so hard on yourself :). Just learn from it, and make sure to not make the same mistake twice.
The roads are not your playground, whether empty or full of vehicles. You now realize this; good thing.
You also realize where your driving limit currently lies; this is a good thing. Work on improving that, as you said you will.

I suggest now that you have a general taste of how much fun that can be, find some nice spots where you can go and screw around on as recklessly as you'd like and not have to worry. A couple of the track near my house just unlock the gate in winter with a GIANT sign stating you are responsible for your own actions. I enjoy from time to time taking a vehicle and just putting it entirely out of control. Couple of buddies and I have junker cars we take out and just beat the ever living heck out of on that track on a yearly basis. Nothing like approacing a J corner at 70 MPH on snow and ice, on street radial tires (sometimes winter tires, always non-stud types though). Talk about an amazing feeling to nail that corner, and a scary one to figure out that you're not going to make it, and that damn fence sure is getting close, FAST. :D
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Whoa! Where is this? It sounds like a blast!
 
#55
MakiSupaStar said:
LMAO. Way to go Mario. I'd post the fail pic of the kid on the tricycle with square wheels (if someone could do the honors that would great), but I'm on my iPhone. Lesson learned. I'd get your Dad a beer and thank him for being so level headed when you banged up his Subaru.
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#56
Driving in the winter is tricky. It's not easy. There's a lot of *** you have to know. Some of the advice given here has been bang on. Some, not so true. Take it from me, Were I live, we have the worst kept winter roads in all of north america, I think. Every year we get tons of snow, the plows never show up because we overspent. Then we get these periods of freezing rain, then it drops below freezing, and the salt trucks are more often than not, late.

You only counter stear if you have a rear wheel drive. A front wheel drive car has to be steered into and accelerated through a skid.
 
#57
peetey said:
Driving in the winter is tricky. It's not easy. There's a lot of *** you have to know. Some of the advice given here has been bang on. Some, not so true. Take it from me, Were I live, we have the worst kept winter roads in all of north america, I think. Every year we get tons of snow, the plows never show up because we overspent. Then we get these periods of freezing rain, then it drops below freezing, and the salt trucks are more often than not, late.

You only counter stear if you have a rear wheel drive. A front wheel drive car has to be steered into and accelerated through a skid.
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buddy i live in the same place as you, i hit a pole from a park in Pierffonds
 

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