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What is this mode called?
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It's a C mixolydian b6. It's the 5th mode of the F melodic minor.
F minor to me, specifically ascending F melodic minor.
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Huh? It's major because of the E natural.
The same mode starting on A would be:
A B C# D E F G
The same mode starting on A would be:
A B C# D E F G
I'd just think of it as C7(b13)
Not all modes need to be named
Not all modes need to be named
No, because that also has a b6 and b7.
There’s no flat 5th. It’s C to G.
I can only speak for myself, but I don't really care what scales are called when it comes to more obscure ones, just what the notes are. I'm way over educated in music too, so this isn't some anti-intellectual take, just a practical one.
The third generally determines if a chord is considered major or minor. Although not correct, IMHO Major Aeolian is sort of descriptively accurate, although Aeolian #3 would probably be better. Before I knew better, I thought of Phrygian Dominant as MixoPhrygian
.As @nanbanpapa said, the mode is Mixolydian b6. The 5th mode of F melodic minor. Aeolian Dominant appears to be another accepted name.
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Thank you!The third generally determines if a chord is considered major or minor. Although not correct, IMHO Major Aeolian is sort of descriptively accurate, although Aeolian #3 would probably be better. Before I knew better, I thought of Phrygian Dominant as MixoPhrygian
As @nanbanpapa said, the mode is Mixolydian b6. The 5th mode of F melodic minor. Aeolian Dominant appears to another accepted name.
Similar thought, I’m thinking of it as C7 but I wanted to play b6 for whatever reason.
One could wander down the rabbit hole with this, so <sigh> lets.
C-D-E-F-G-A-B-C is a C major scale, except if you start and end it on E, it's the Phrygian Mode. Dorian, Phyrgian, Lydian and Mixolydian may, in performance, have been subject to the vagaries of "musica ficta" and may not have been what we think they are based on what they look like on paper, anyway.
Consider
The melody is F# Phrygian. Bach took a lot of modal melodies and treated them with modern harmony, often ending with a semi-cadence (a final chord of V rather than I. My point being that it doesn't sound like F# Phyrgian, it sounds like B minor ending on a V chord.
All this and 50 cents will - alright, used to - get you a ride on the subway. The notes you posted could be a lot of things.
Thanks.
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C-D-E-F-G-A-B-C is a C major scale, except if you start and end it on E, it's the Phrygian Mode. Dorian, Phyrgian, Lydian and Mixolydian may, in performance, have been subject to the vagaries of "musica ficta" and may not have been what we think they are based on what they look like on paper, anyway.
Consider
The melody is F# Phrygian. Bach took a lot of modal melodies and treated them with modern harmony, often ending with a semi-cadence (a final chord of V rather than I. My point being that it doesn't sound like F# Phyrgian, it sounds like B minor ending on a V chord.
All this and 50 cents will - alright, used to - get you a ride on the subway. The notes you posted could be a lot of things.
Please post a link to the recording you were listening to and we can talk about it as music instead of music theory. It's music, after all, not math.
Thanks.
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I wish there was a rule on here that said “no dad jokes to serious questions “
Correct. A C9b6 (the chord we are discussing) is major.The third generally determines if a chord is considered major or minor. Although not correct, IMHO Major Aeolian is sort of descriptively accurate, although Aeolian #3 would probably be better. Before I knew better, I thought of Phrygian Dominant as MixoPhrygian
As @nanbanpapa said, the mode is Mixolydian b6. The 5th mode of F melodic minor. Aeolian Dominant appears to be another accepted name.
A C7 with any extension is major.
Yes, they all do need to be named differently.
Besides, this mode would build C9b13. You could have a flat 9, raised 9, natural 9, etc.
For example, just a C7b13 could be based off of super-locrian, which has VERY different passing notes than the mixo b6.
Guitar Scales - The Mixolydian b6 Scale
Learn how to use the Mixolydian b6 scale (also known as the Aeolian Dominant) to create exotic chord progressions that always sound good and original.
Dominants are a different breed in jazz, once you have a b7 , it has more complexity than a Major both scalar and chordal. That is why they call it dominant because it devalues the influence of the third. @onda'bass got that right. As an improviser (saxophone) I would definitely milk this as much as I could and not be bound by major minor.The third generally determines if a chord is considered major or minor. Although not correct, IMHO Major Aeolian is sort of descriptively accurate, although Aeolian #3 would probably be better. Before I knew better, I thought of Phrygian Dominant as MixoPhrygian
As @nanbanpapa said, the mode is Mixolydian b6. The 5th mode of F melodic minor. Aeolian Dominant appears to be another accepted name.
OP @dougjwray , you need to tell us what this music is and give us a link of the recording. Is there a C to Bb chord progression maybe that's foundational to the tune? Otherwise everyone will try to just intellectualize it.
