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What's a good mic for recording bass?

IIRC, Shure SM57's low range starts around 40-ish hz... That should be low enough to record bass with, don't you think?

While not my favorite microphone, it is certainly capable of recording a whole rock band. This has been done, by the way, and sounded fine.

The low end starts rolling off around 120Hz from memory, and probably somewhere near -10dB once you get to 40Hz so fairly bass light compared to many other mics.

I've used a 57 on bass (without a DI) on heaps of records and I own 421s, a Beta52, 47fet clone and used to have an RE20. Not every song/mix requires the low end the 57 is "missing", it's a great bass mic when appropriate.
 
For years I recorded bass cabinets with dynamic mikes. Low frequency, not too much demand on the range, and besides I needed to reserve my condensers for sound sources with lots of sparkle, like acoustic guitar, drums, and vocals.
When you think how dominant bass is in so many recordings- almost at the same level as vocal- that implies that attention to bass should be almost as important.
It took me many years of wondering about why my bass sound was uniformly muddy before I changed. I always thought it was a board problem- which I attempted to fix by more eq very low. Or a compressor issue- even more must be better.
I finally sold every dynamic mike I owned- mostly EV 's- 666, 655c, 635a's, RE15, a couple Shures- 546, 545, AKG D200, some old American ribbons. My sound promptly improved by quantum measures when I took the sales proceeds and bought all condensers.
The sound I was looking for was blocked by the loss of transients that dynamic mikes-all dynamics mikes- are simply unable to capture. And when I finally learned about transients, I still thought that transients were primarily a high frequency thing. It took still more time to learn and accept that "punch" is the street name for transient information across the audio spectrum. And bass carries a lot of transients. Further, I was ignoring the fact that while the root tones in bass rarely go above middle A, which is 440 Hz, poor high frequency performance means you don't care about the overtones or, in tech-talk, the harmonics. And there are lotsa harmonics in bass as well as everything else.
The comparative clarity of almost any condenser is what makes them so desirable. That clarity, among other things, is identified by some as transient response, or rise time. That is, the speed and smoothness measured in nanoseconds at which a transducer (microphone in this case) responds to an impulse (spark).
In my altered, re-vamped mode, I first started using an AKG C3000. Pretty good results. Then I went to AKG c414 II, in hyper mode to minimize room ambience. Believe me, if you're getting room sound on your bass channel, you're getting mud.
These days, I may use that C414, or more often a Neumann KM185, a hyper for the same reason as the C414. If the track is one I'm playing my 1966 Jazz Bass on and if I'm dubbing in parts after everyone has gone home, I will go through the board either into an A-Designs Catalina pre or a Universal Audio 6176. The A-Designs for SUPER clean, the 6176 if I'm going for tube warmth and want to play with what it will do for sustain. If it's an ensemble session, I'm going through either a G-K head into a Schroeder 1210 cabinet or a Mark bass, and depending what else is going on, possibly going straight in with no bells, whistles, or pre's. Choosing a favorite here is like choosing off the Sports Illustrated swimsuit edition- you can't really go wrong.

There is a reason SM57's and SM58's show up so much on forums everywhere as being used for recording almost everything: they're cheap and durable. I've been around mikes since most of the people who follow this forum were in diapers, and that's the extent of what I can say for them.
Every band has them, usually three or four. Every pawn shop has them. They appear on eBay by the hundreds in every stage of condition and care. It ( and its clones) is no doubt the most used live sound microphone in the world. It's not a great leap to imagine using them when they are as common as roaches in a greasy spoon cafe.
I bought several Neumann KSM105's for the band I play with. It's always fun to watch a sound dude's eyebrows lift when I tell him we'd like to use our mikes. The response is always the same: "you have Neumann's ?"
I never need to ask his opinion.
 
For demos i generally just use an xlr. For decent recordings in the studio I've always stuck with shure and CAD. Sm58, beta 52, the CAD i can't remember the model but it was a floor tom mic.

Keep in mind i don't use a lot of dirt, but my personally favorite combo is the wet xlr from my sans amp RBI and a shure 58(the cheap one not the beta). With this combo i get the frequency range of the xlr and the added character of a mic. the 58 also seems to bring out the mids from my ampeg cab a little more. I actually thought the engineer who recommended the cheap 58 was crazy because its a vocal mic. But it works great for the tones i go for. We also tried a beta 58 but it was too hot.
 
I go DI most of the time, then I tweek with it if it needs it. I just want to capture the sound I'm hearing from my amp on a wave file. I think my main problem is I'm super picky about my sound and I'm trying to get studio quality from the low budget recording gear in my man room.

Do you have good control of reflected sound and some damping of the stronger modes? If not, you can record something, but recording what you actually hear may not be best.

If you actually want to capture the sound you are hearing, you need a binaural recording, since that is the way we hear things, not the collapsed, mono version of sound a single mike produces from the sound field.

If what you mean is you want an accurate, mono version of the sound you hear in stereo, then you may want to position a near field eq'd pressure omni where you are hearing the sound as you like it, which is probably not right in front of the speaker.

If your control of reflected sound actually is not so good, the omni at that spot is likely to have more reflected sound than you want, and you may be better off using a good ribbon mike, like an AEA or Beyer M 130. Actually I pretty much always start miking any cab with a good ribbon like the M 130 first, because so often it nails what I want.

Of course, with all this, DI alone or in combination with the miked sound may well end up sounding best.

Otto
 
RE-20's are nice too..
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always had great results with this and all things bass, DB, cab, kick

there's one in the classifieds right now in excellent shape at $325 - I think I paid about $450 new
 
The Sennheiser MD 421 is a great choice.
Tab Funkenwerk upgraded SM57
AT 4050 works well if you can get the room quiet.
Lots of recommendations for the Beyer Dynamic M88 too.

If you are recording in less than ideal conditions, you are probably better off going with highly directional mics.