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#22
if this was spring and he was gearing up for the Yankees, I'd be all over Clemens, and I my hatred would be spewing forth like the Griffin's on Ipecac, but it's not spring, he's not a Yankee, and I'm distracted because the Rangers are making me miserable.

Come Spring though, post Stanley Cup Finals, I'll make as many allegations and irresponsible statements about any non-Met that you would care to start a thread about... except Barry Bonds. :)
 
#23
My whole problem with the steroid scandal is that many of the accused have resulted in MLB earning billions of dollars. If they want to clean up the sport, they should have done so quietly! I feel it's a slap in the face to call these guys out who have allowed you to earn the salary you're earning! Why we are allowing our tax money to fund these assinine federal hearings is beyond me! And I personally can't stand hypocrites! Here or anywhere!
 
#24
Dr. Cheese said:
My problem is that folks were out to get Bonds long before the evidence was anywhere near the sworn statements against Clemens. That is why the silence about Clemens is so deafening.
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But the reasons for that have little to do with race.

1) Bonds was a poster child for steroids. His production didn't just stay good as he got older it exploded. Bonds also had the steroid freak look. Clemens, was a bit of an ageless wonder, but he wasn't throwing 105 mph and striking out 20, two games in a row. And he still looked like a pitcher who didn't do laps with the team.

2) Bonds has always been a jerk to the media, and his public persona was a not appealing. He broke the records of someone who was just the opposite (Hank Aaron). Clemens public persona was kind of mediocre, I personally couldn't stand him because of the Boston-NY thing and his lack of loyalty.

3) While we at TB haven't discussed it much, it's been all over sports talk radio. I don't know that bass players are a representative group of he public mind, and I can guarantee you that the folks who spend a lot of time posting in the lounge aren't.:D
 
#27
Dr. Cheese said:
I see Clemens filed a defamation suit against Macnamee, this should be interesting.
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This "lawsuit" :rolleyes: is just a shield to keep him from having to say anything to Congress, citing a "pending lawasuit". I'll bet you after this congressional dog and pony show ends, this "lawsuit" will get dropped. He's just as sleazy as Bonds, McGwire, and Pettit. I just find it fascinating that people are having a hard time with it. ESPN tapdanced around this for weeks, while ESPN radio called it evenly.
 
#32
MakiSupaStar said:
Yeah, but hey, how about them Lakers. :ninja: :hiding:
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Phil Jackson's on steroids too...

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Look how much bigger he got.
 
#36
peaveyuser said:
:rollno: aww damnit Roger Clemens I liked him, damn I'll be disappointed if he turned out he injected. He was a huge factor in the World Series winning Blue Jays.


Although I don't watch baseball anymore I used to be quite the fan when younger, Clemens was one of my favorite pitchers.
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Clemens had nothing to do with the 1992 and 1993 championship Toronto Blue Jays. He didn't join the Jays until 1997 if I remember correctly.
 
#38
I think a lot of it is to do with Bonds being the first huge name to really get "caught." It's old news now. Superstars do HGH. Whoopee.

Also, I don't think Clemens was ever quite the explosive persona that Bonds was. Bonds was setting batting records, left and right, hitting home runs like a mad man, and well on his way to taking Hank Aaron's title. Roger Clemens was just consistently a good pitcher.
 
#40
Woodchuck said:
Really?
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Haha. You know what I mean. I don't think he was really blowing the competition out of the water like bonds was.

Steroids or not, you can't deny that these two were both amazing athletes. Steroids don't make you able to throw a killer curve ball, or consistently hit 90-100 mph fastballs solidly. IMO, they'd both have been heroes without their recent "performance boosts." It's a shame what the sport has come to.
 

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