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When the singer can't sing any more.

I got involved with a singer who is rebuilding a band he had until 2017 or so. He recorded three CDs between 2012 and 2016 and his voice sounds good on the recordings. But, during recent rehearsals, his vocal intonation is all over the place. So is his slide guitar playing. When I comment about the latter, he sheepishly says "I know - I'll focus better." He's 73 years old, wears hearing aids and uses a Shure headphone/mic combo.

He has 3 gigs booked beginning in early June. As an audience member, I would walk out of a performance if someone sang this badly. As I've gotten older, that sort of thing has only become more irritating, so I can't envision being a member of a band and having to put up with it.

How do you tell someone they need to do something drastic, like:
1) Work on the technology you own and see if it helps. Do it by next week.
2) Give up singing and end the band.

I'm open to other solutions. I could just walk away, but rehearsals are in the middle of nowhere, so it's practically impossible for him to attract players.
 
Go with #1 first. Start with a question.

"Man, I've noticed you been pretty pitchy lately. It's getn pretty rough. That's a new problem for you. In the past you've been dead on. Are you not able to hear yourself anymore with your current setup? You think there's something better out there these days?"

His response will answer all of your questions. If he's open to trying things, work on it as quickly as possible. If he isn't willing to work on it, becomes defensive, or thinks it's "good enough" or "no big deal", it's time to move on.

No way could I survive in a band with a pitchy singer. Hopefully someone will tell me when my voice and/or hearing makes it where I can no longer do my thing.
 
Man, did I post this and not remember it?
That is almost word-for-word my situation...

My guy has tried in-ears (some brand I did not recognize...) and couldn't make them work with the rehearsal room PA so that's gone nowhere...
He has used some kind of TC pitch-correction pedal which might have helped. Not doing that any more either.

He keeps threatening to retire. If he continues to deteriorate, the marketplace will make that decision for him.
So far, the gigs keep coming in and the checks continue to clear. The setlist is reasonably fun and I've been learning a lot playing with horns.
But frankly it's just the money that keeps me going with this project.
 
First, it's cool that you're able to work with Tom Waits. He can be an acquired taste but I have been a fan forever.
Next, can you record and play back and ask him what he thinks the band should work on? I know if I hear myself in a recording and I go off pitch it makes my neck sore and I want to fix it. If the singer knows when a guitar is out of tune they know when they are out of tune as well. You can have the conversation without being cruel. save the firing for the drummer.
 
He's been recording rehearsals, and I'm not sure yet why he isn't hearing what's obvious to me (and the drummer).
Donno about your guy, but my guy gets it.
He just knows he can't do anything about it, and it's as good as it's going to get. At some point the bookings will stop. B.B.King continued to tour long after his skill was gone, and people kept buying tickets. My guy's no BB King, tho...
 
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Man, did I post this and not remember it?
That is almost word-for-word my situation...

My guy has tried in-ears (some brand I did not recognize...) and couldn't make them work with the rehearsal room PA so that's gone nowhere...
He has used some kind of TC pitch-correction pedal which might have helped. Not doing that any more either.

He keeps threatening to retire. If he continues to deteriorate, the marketplace will make that decision for him.
So far, the gigs keep coming in and the checks continue to clear. The setlist is reasonably fun and I've been learning a lot playing with horns.
But frankly it's just the money that keeps me going with this project.
I'm 63 and I started out in music as a singer. My voice was pretty solid for most of my young adult life and I never worried about intonation much because my ears were good and I was singing so much that everything I needed to hit those pitches was in good working condition.

Then I got out of the music business entirely and went to work for about 25 years.

When I decided to get back into music, one of the first things I realized was that - not to put too fine a point on it - my voice had gone to hell in a handbasket. What a lot of good singers don't realize is that, as you age, the muscles you use to sing weaken. Intonation in the throat is just as much about muscular precision as intonation on a fretless is about being able to put your fingers in exactly the right spot, every single time. That's not as easy to do in either case when those muscles are atrophied.

It might be a problem with a singer's hearing, but if he's saying that he knows it, he may be able to address this by doing some physical toning in those areas. Most singers who have been doing this for years might not want to hear this, though, and might not want to do it, because they never had to before. But, here's the thing. Even if you sing frequently, if you're not keeping on top of this, it will still deteriorate. I've had to work very hard over about five years to get my voice back to about 90% of what it used to be.

When I was in my mid-30's I joined a group as lead singer. They were the most accomplished group of musicians I'll ever work with, and the bar with that bunch was ridiculously high. After listening to some rehearsals I realized I had to seriously up my game, even though I'd never felt like I had problems in the past. As lead singer I had to be very active on the stage, which meant I needed a lot more breath control to be able to move about like that, sing, and not get winded while continuing to put those notes exactly where I wanted them. So I started a series of workouts where I would sing during strenuous activity.

I'm sharing all this not to make this post all about me, but to help people to realize that their singers may not know what to do to fix these sorts of problems as they age. If they are natural vocalists who have not taken many lessons, they may not have a very deep bag of tricks for doing even basic things like vocal warm-ups. There's little awareness among many vocalists i've worked with of the need for these things.

I'm not going to suggest what you all might say to them, but these are some things you might keep in mind as you think about how that conversation should go. Gently encouraging them to step up the private practice and warm-ups might go a long way toward solving these problems, but they have to feel like the work is worth the rewards.

Oh, also... it's not going to fix itself in a week.
 
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Autotune both his vocals and slide guitar.
Donno if you've looked into this, but it's a fairly difficult thing to pull off live. Most generally available vocal sweeteners require a pitch reference to determine key. Typically it's guitar but there's no real reason it couldn't be keys other than maybe limitations on polytonal sampling... If the slide guitar isn't at pitch, you can't use it as a reference for the vocal processor. Unless maybe there are no other fixed-pitch instruments. Slide guitar, fretless bass, drums might work but more likely trainwreck as everybody tries to match everybody else...

There _are_ vocal processors that do not require an external pitch reference -- I have one. But the bad news is that you need to program it for the intended key for each song.
 
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Man, did I post this and not remember it?
That is almost word-for-word my situation...

My guy has tried in-ears (some brand I did not recognize...) and couldn't make them work with the rehearsal room PA so that's gone nowhere...
He has used some kind of TC pitch-correction pedal which might have helped. Not doing that any more either.

He keeps threatening to retire. If he continues to deteriorate, the marketplace will make that decision for him.
So far, the gigs keep coming in and the checks continue to clear. The setlist is reasonably fun and I've been learning a lot playing with horns.
But frankly it's just the money that keeps me going with this project.

I am in this situation...somewhat. Our BL, who sings half the songs, is in his 70's and relies on band income to live. He has a real high voice but it's getting weaker as time goes. The other guy who sings the half of the night has a low voice that cracks easily, and for some reason picks songs that are out of his range.. But as I get around more to hear other bands in the area, they aren't all that great vocalists either. We live in a spread out community in the mountains. We are a very busy band and people seem to like what they hear so I stick with it. But I don't think we (or the others) would stack up against the competition in the city.