When the singer can't sing any more.

[LBS-bass]

You know that Jaco video is a joke. That sound is not him actually playing. It's been overdubbed to look like that's how he sounded.

I should be obvious to anyone who is watching his hands and fundamentally familiar with the bass. Around 55 seconds or so he runs up the neck but the audio is still in a lower register.

I don't' really know what the purpose would be to defame a player in this way, but the internet is full of bad actors.

 

[DJ Bebop]

I should be obvious to anyone who is watching his hands and fundamentally familiar with the bass. Around 55 seconds or so he runs up the neck but the audio is still in a lower register.

I don't' really know what the purpose would be to defame a player in this way, but the internet is full of bad actors.

There is a series of these videos not just Jaco.
The joke being, we know Jaco didn't sound like that
I don't think it was made to defame but to be humorous. There are others to be had...

 

[TyBo]

You know that Jaco video is a joke. That sound is not him actually playing. It's been overdubbed to look like that's how he sounded.

I actually didn't know that vid was faked, only watched a little of it. But it's well known that Jaco struggled in his later years, sometimes even onstage. Might not have been as bad as that one, though,

 

[DJ Bebop]

I actually didn't know that vid was faked, only watched a little of it. But it's well known that Jaco struggled in his later years, sometimes even onstage. Might not have been as bad as that one, tough,

See my post here...
When the singer can't sing any more.

 

[pepj]

Singers; warning signs. Sore throat after gigs.
Caused mainly because of poor P.A and band mix where they have to virtually shout to be heard.
Many many bands I see, the P.A isnt up loud enough, or isn't man enough.
Singer rags voice and the attrition starts.
Put that singer in front of a good p.a with monitoring and vocal quality dramatically improves...but not enough for them to re invest in a P.A that is very capable.

Don't get me started on 'vocal coaches'...

 

[Ancientangler]

Donno about your guy, but my guy gets it.
He just knows he can't do anything about it, and it's as good as it's going to get. At some point the bookings will stop. B.B.King continued to tour long after his skill was gone, and people kept buying tickets. My guy's no BB King, tho...

His explanation (which is perfectly valid): "Lately it’s been how beat up my body is that particular day or week. Sometimes I might suck and sometimes I might not. Sometimes I feel my fingers sometimes I don’t. Experimenting with new gear is always iffy. I’ve gotta concentrate on the monitors."

I'm gonna stick around to cover two upcoming gigs, and then I'm gone. Sadly, this could be me in 8 years. Fortunately for everyone involved, I don't sing.

 

[Ancientangler]

Look at the bright side: he can't POSSIBLY be as bad as Jon Bon Jovi.

Wanna bet?

 

[Ancientangler]

Well, I suppose opinions vary about Dylan's singing, but early on, when he was having hits, there clearly was an appeal to it. The phrasing and timing with the rhythm, putting it out there with forcefulness and control, spitting out those wonderful lyrics ... yeah, there's a reason he got famous as a singer/songwriter. Later on, that all went to crap, though occasionally he'll do a good performance. That's my take anyway, and I'm not alone in it.

False equivalence.

He may not be able to hear well enough even with the hearing aids. Couple this with his guitar abilities also deteriorating, and I have to wonder what you're doing.
I feel bad for him. We all have to stop at some point.
If your option 1 does not work out, it sounds like it's time to call it a day.
Maybe he can be a member and not the focal point of a band?

He's actually a good 6 or 12-string player, as long as a slide isn't involved. But he's the only singer in the band, so that's that.

 

[TyBo]

False equivalence.

He's actually a good 6 or 12-string player, as long as a slide isn't involved. But he's the only singer in the band, so that's that.

Wasn't comparing Dylan to your singer, was answering a few posts flatly asserting that Dylan couldn't sing (ever, was the seeming implication). Which may be seen to be incorrect, in his earlier years at least. That's all.

 

[LBS-bass]

Wasn't comparing Dylan to your singer, was answering a few posts flatly asserting that Dylan couldn't sing (ever, was the seeming implication). Which may be seen to be incorrect, in his earlier years at least. That's all.

The topic is background singing so I don't know why everyone is bringing up people like Dylan, Jagger and Tom Waits, who have very distinctive lead vocals.

Lead singer gets away with a lot because generally everyone in the backup section is trying to blend with them and/or each other, not the other way around. These are different jobs with different requirements. You want your lead singer to have a distinctive voice in many cases, but backing singers need to be able to blend and harmonize.

 

[TyBo]

The topic is background singing so I don't know why everyone is bringing up people like Dylan, Jagger and Tom Waits, who have very distinctive lead vocals.

Lead singer gets away with a lot because generally everyone in the backup section is trying to blend with them and/or each other, not the other way around. These are different jobs with different requirements. You want your lead singer to have a distinctive voice in many cases, but backing singers need to be able to blend and harmonize.

Idk, it sounded in the op like the singer has had his own band that he fronts, with skills that are now diminishing. Maybe I have that wrong.

In any case, I was just noting some points about Dylan's singing in response to what I think are misconceptions that were posted ... perhaps a brief detour, but heck it's a long thread at this stage with lots of meandering. Anyway, I'm not looking to do a deep dive on Dylan, thought we were done with him actually.

 

[Ancientangler]

Idk, it sounded in the op like the singer has had his own band that he fronts, with skills that are now diminishing. Maybe I have that wrong.

In any case, I was just noting some points about Dylan's singing in response to what I think are misconceptions that were posted ... perhaps a brief detour, but heck it's a long thread at this stage with lots of meandering. Anyway, I'm not looking to do a deep dive on Dylan, thought we were done with him actually.

The singer in question has had various people fronting him and helping on CDs. Some have died, others are in the wind somewhere. The current crew is the latest incarnation, or an attempt.

 

[TyBo]

 

[LBS-bass]

The topic is background singing so I don't know why everyone is bringing up people like Dylan, Jagger and Tom Waits, who have very distinctive lead vocals.

Lead singer gets away with a lot because generally everyone in the backup section is trying to blend with them and/or each other, not the other way around. These are different jobs with different requirements. You want your lead singer to have a distinctive voice in many cases, but backing singers need to be able to blend and harmonize.

Yeah, you are right, I was thinking about a different thread when I wrote this. It's been one of those days.

But a lead singer can have a distinctive voice, yet not be off key when he/she sings. Most of these guys have their own weird delivery, but intontation-wise they're pretty much ok.

If someone's just failing to hit the notes that's a serious issue.

 

[FFEJY]

I'm sorry, but I couldn't stop laughing at this:

 

[5StringBlues]

I wonder how Curtis' voice is holding up.

 

[basseux]

Not to be disrespectful, but you gotta watch this clip for the lolz at the 50 second mark:




Poor old Jon looks like a turtle trying to eat a leaf of lettuce.

People pay for this ?

 

[FFEJY]

People pay for this ?

I find it quite entertaining!

This is the most Bon Jovi I've EVER listened to and the ONLY Bon Jovi I've ever listened to ON PURPOSE!

lol

Seriously!

 

[basseux]

At the same time, I went several time to Funkadelic shows, where George Clinton as clearly no voice left.

But it's a collective, there are other lead singers though.

 

[hbarcat]

He's been recording rehearsals, and I'm not sure yet why he isn't hearing what's obvious to me (and the drummer).

It's common for the perception of pitch to change as people get older, sometimes by more than 2 or 3 half steps. This would affect both singing and improvisational instrument playing because it affects the ability to accurately match your performance to reference notes.

Because it's neurological in nature the person often isn't aware of the difference and there really isn't any practical solution to the problem.

It's not possible to determine if this is the cause of your bandmates problem without a legitimate diagnosis by a medical professional.


Edit: Some medications can cause changes in pitch perception. Carbamazepine is one of these. It's a neurological medication used to control epilepsy.