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When your favorite band/s lost it
- Thread starter MAJOR METAL
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How else to explain the shift from effin' greatness to ewwww at the same time for so many bands in the span of one album?
Meh, it's a theory, anyways.
I think what happened was that the '80s were SO awful that they reached backward in time and corrupted the end of the '70s.
How else do you get from Black Sabbath to the BulletBoys?
That's right...time-continuum tampering!!
They jumped the shark with The Wall, imho. Barring a few classic tunes it's dreadful, in my opinion. The Final Cut is even worse.
I must not be very critical, but, for me many of these observations don't ring true.
For instance, I think that Pink Floyd was great from Piper through Division Bell (with The Final Cut being left off completely for being a Roger Waters solo album trying to cash in on the PF name) and some of my favorite PF is without Roger.
I've never heard a Rush or Yes album that I wouldn't listen to again.
However, some bands should have stayed gone instead of reforming... Like Skynard... Or Jefferson Airplane.
For instance, I think that Pink Floyd was great from Piper through Division Bell (with The Final Cut being left off completely for being a Roger Waters solo album trying to cash in on the PF name) and some of my favorite PF is without Roger.
I've never heard a Rush or Yes album that I wouldn't listen to again.
However, some bands should have stayed gone instead of reforming... Like Skynard... Or Jefferson Airplane.
They lost it AT The Resistance, IMHO
I liked The Resistance, but The Second Law is a monstrosity and possibly a threat to civilization itself.
My opinion, of course:
Metallica: Only liked a few songs on Load and Reload. Don't care for anything after that. By far, I prefer their earlier work.
Pink Floyd: changed after Roger left, but I still really enjoy Floyd, so
I won't say they "lost it" per say, just changed some. Everyone's free to have their opinion on whether they think it was good or bad. I just perceive it as different.
And without naming any names, I'm sure we can all think of bands who, when they went down the first, or maybe second time, should have stayed down.
Metallica: Only liked a few songs on Load and Reload. Don't care for anything after that. By far, I prefer their earlier work.
Pink Floyd: changed after Roger left, but I still really enjoy Floyd, so
I won't say they "lost it" per say, just changed some. Everyone's free to have their opinion on whether they think it was good or bad. I just perceive it as different.
And without naming any names, I'm sure we can all think of bands who, when they went down the first, or maybe second time, should have stayed down.
What about the mighty Black Sabbath?
I know a lot of diehards write them off after the first four albums (or maybe after "Sabotage" if they're being generous), but I love everything up through "Mob Rules".
After that, however, even I can't defend them.
I know a lot of diehards write them off after the first four albums (or maybe after "Sabotage" if they're being generous), but I love everything up through "Mob Rules".
After that, however, even I can't defend them.
I'll also think along similar lines. I think that everything U2 did in the 80s was pure brilliance - it still amazes me that their first two albums (Boy, October) don't get more credit, and I agree that there are many B-sides and lesser known songs that or incredible. For me, the "decline" started with Zooropa, in that they went from having everything they touched turn to gold to only occasionally being brilliant. They still have their moments - Magnificent, Beautiful Day, Vertigo... - and maybe its just that now they are a "great" band as opposed to a legendary band, but things definitely shifted after Achtung Baby, in my opinion.
RUSH (I know I'll get lots of backlash here)
I lost interest in them after Grace Under Pressure. I personally think Moving Pictures was their Abbey Road. They should have done the smart thing like the Fab Four and go out with fireworks at the peak of their fame.
I lost interest in them after Grace Under Pressure. I personally think Moving Pictures was their Abbey Road. They should have done the smart thing like the Fab Four and go out with fireworks at the peak of their fame.
David Bowie--after Aladdin Sane
Pink Floyd-- after Dark Side of the Moon
The Who--after Quadrophenia
Led Zepplin--after Houses of the Holy (although not as much as the first ones)
the Stones-- from @ 1975 on, say Goat's Head Soup
The Moody Blues--after Seventh Sojourn
Yes--after Close to the Edge
i'm sure i'll think of others
Wow, hate to say it but I think you are right on...
+1 (see my above post in this thread for the "BUS WRECK" theory). Really makes sense.
I got the new Jimmy Page book for Christmas and read it all. According to Page in this book, "All of my love" was done by Plant and JPJ on there own without Page. Page was not as fan of the song but let it stand for what it was. Just sharing...
Jmatt - usually I agree with a lot of what you say on TB, but you're wrong here
Whilst the Cantrell/Staley partnership was undoubtedly a beautiful thing, I think William DuVall has more than adequately stepped into Layne's shoes. Granted, we'll never get another 'Dirt', but the post-Staley stuff continues to ooze AIC awesomeness.
Regarding the new song, wait until the album, listen to the whole thing and then decide. I hope you change your mind!
I actually like DuVall a lot and I think he's a great fit for the band. My issue isn't with him but with Jerry. DuVall is supposed to be the new lead singer, but he doesn't ever seem to be mixed higher than Jerry, nor does he ever really sing solo in any song. I thought the last album they did was solid, but somewhat tragic in the sense that DuVall wasn't given more prominence in the mix. I let it slide that time because things were new since Layne had passed, but I was fully expecting DuVall to be the main guy now. If the new song is what we're to expect from the new album then I won't be happy. It seems like Jerry has slapped the AIC title on what is really his own solo project. I like his solo stuff just fine, but it's not AIC in my book (even if it is similar).
Rush - after Moving Pictures (Feb 1981, sorry, but when the synthesized intro to Subdivisions starts up I tune them out almost totally for decades.
Queen - after "Jazz" (Nov. 1978)
Renaissance - after "Azure D'Or" (1979)
Genesis - after "Duke" album (1979)
Jethro Tull - after "Stormwatch" (1979)
Kansas - after "Audio Visions" (1980)
Yes - after "Drama" (1980)
Heart - "Bebe le Strange" (1980)
Supertramp - "Breakfast in America" (1979)
Cheap Trick - "Dream Police" (1979)
Yeah... something horrible happened around 1979-1980 that RUINED a number of great bands. My friend and I call it "The BUS WRECK." At some point in late 1979, early 1980, (New Years' Eve 1979 maybe) Rush, Queen, Yes, and all the other above bands were on a bus that drove off a cliff somewhere. The record companies were screwed and had to bring in look-a-likes for all of these bands, but the replacements, while looking like the original members, were not as talented and the quality of music fell off sharply with the very next releases and with an occasional exception, stayed low). The "Bus Wreck of Sometime in either 1979-1980" theory explains the "musical cliff" of these bands and their near-simultaneous fall from musical grace.
How else to explain the shift from effin' greatness to ewwww at the same time for so many bands in the span of one album?
Meh, it's a theory, anyways.
Queen after Queen II. They were on track to be good, but then the whole Freddy Mercury Opera crap took over and down they went.
Rush - after Moving Pictures (Feb 1981, sorry, but when the synthesized intro to Subdivisions starts up I tune them out almost totally for decades.
Queen - after "Jazz" (Nov. 1978)
Renaissance - after "Azure D'Or" (1979)
Genesis - after "Duke" album (1979)
Jethro Tull - after "Stormwatch" (1979)
Kansas - after "Audio Visions" (1980)
Yes - after "Drama" (1980)
Heart - "Bebe le Strange" (1980)
Supertramp - "Breakfast in America" (1979)
Cheap Trick - "Dream Police" (1979)
Yeah... something horrible happened around 1979-1980 that RUINED a number of great bands. My friend and I call it "The BUS WRECK." At some point in late 1979, early 1980, (New Years' Eve 1979 maybe) Rush, Queen, Yes, and all the other above bands were on a bus that drove off a cliff somewhere. The record companies were screwed and had to bring in look-a-likes for all of these bands, but the replacements, while looking like the original members, were not as talented and the quality of music fell off sharply with the very next releases and with an occasional exception, stayed low). The "Bus Wreck of Sometime in either 1979-1980" theory explains the "musical cliff" of these bands and their near-simultaneous fall from musical grace.
How else to explain the shift from effin' greatness to ewwww at the same time for so many bands in the span of one album?
Meh, it's a theory, anyways.
Two words..................New Wave.....
Hold it right there.....Floyd? after Dark Side? Dude Animals is an amazing album, far more dark than the Wall ever was, with the stand out cut Sheep still an all time fave...
I saw them on three separate nights on the last tour over here and I have to tell you, they absolutely slayed every night. Jerry was cool and good-humoured with the crowd and DuVall didn't stop smiling once. There was a lot of love for the new singer and I think he was grateful that each packed house had warmed to him so readily after take on such a mammoth task. And as for the classics? Well, the roof came off when he launched into those Staley classics.
I was skeptical about whether he'd cut it after being such a huge AIC fan for so long, but I think he's great.
I guess I see the current band as the new AIC, rather than AIC with a different singer, if that makes sense?
I know what you mean about Jerrys vocals though...he seems to be more of a joint-lead singer, rather than back-up singer...but that doesn't bother me. As a band, they sound great, and I just don't compare them to the old band.
Actually, I think I know what it is...I have realised that whilst Staley was alive, I was sucked into thinking it was his band because his vocals were so awesome. But his passing has made me realise that it was actually Cantrells songwriting that was the dark, seductive hook that grabbed me, and I didn't dawn on me until recently when I realised how much I still love this band. I'm not sure AIC could have continued had Jerry died and not Layne?
Oh, and I was fortunate enough to see Layne sing 'Rooster', but it wasnt as good as the job DuVall did
