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Where do I plug this sucker in?

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#81
Firstly - a few points:
You don't need to go visit the local arena. This will just hip them to the fact that you are not. Send them your technical rider. Believe it or not they have seen it all before and they'll be ready for ya before they finish their second doughnut of the morning. (Yes, do bring doughnuts and coffee with you if you wanna make some friends that can make your life a whole lot easier -Oh, and also show up with your Steel Panther disc and say clever things like "My other car is a Prevost")
You will simply be breaking out from the house. This will be cam locks to five 4/0 (say "four ought" - so they don't gaff tape your nads to your chin) feeder cables times however many drops you require. From there on it's up to you. The "idiot" that came up with reversing ground and neutral was trying to save you from yourself. It avoids connecting a hot to ground or neutral and wasting your gear and/or yourself. (Hint : It goes like this - Green first - White second - Black, Red and Blue next. Reverse this order when doing your disconnect and you just may live to play Detroit Rock City tomorrow night) If you have the money to buy this gear and tour it you would be wise to hire a pro to act as your TD. I know many people who will go on the road and save you from making a fool of yourself and/or getting yourself killed. Just pay them their day rate and their expenses/per diem and they'll do it with a smile. The Furman units you mention are a joke at this level (plus they often ADD noise). Go here if you want the stuff the big boys use: Invalid Link Removed
I have worked with and at times still do work with major acts at stadium and arena levels.These acts hire the best in the business to provide the best product (that would be YOUR sound). Yep, most of the cabinets and amps on stage are props. This is for good reason. You would be wise to look in to principles like Syn Aud Con. 32 speaker cabinets times 4 speakers per are going to create such an ugly set of point sources battling each other that no amount of PA will be able to correct your mess. Can you say comb filter meets Godzilla on crack? Sure you can. This would be the sonic equivalent of all the braless big-boobed hippie chicks at a general admission Dead show rushing the front of the stage the second that the gates open. (Ah - such sweet memories!) Besides in-ear monitors will make you just as deaf - even more quickly if you're in a hurry. If you think that what will come off the stage will sound better than a well engineered Clair Bros., D&B Acoustics, L' Acoustics, or Meyer system then you need to educate yourself some son.
Secondly:
If you ever do get this beast up and running and in a real house (and I'm talking way beyond a 5000 seater) can I bring my Spector, and my Octabass, and my Brown Dog, and my Agent OOFunk Mark II by and plug in? I just split the crotch of my jeans thinking about it!

Megalomania!!!! - Joy!!!!
P.S. Can we start a club for this thread? I wanna be your #1 fan. "If lovin' you is wrong, I don't wanna be right"
P.P.S. This IS all part of the next Spinal Tap (or is it Spinal Pap?) movie - Isn't it? I SO know it's just gotta be!
 
#84
Bob, here's my suggestion:
Contact NASA, and somehow convince them to take this rig up to the ISS. If you could figure out a way to aim it, I think it would make an absolutely wonderful Orbital Weapon. You could power it of solar energy, so it would be environmentally friendly.......right up until the point where you flatten all the vegetation and animal life within a 2 mile radius of your target......

(And nobody bring up the fact that the sound waves couldn't travel through the vacuum and the atmosphere. We have to believe, we have to believe!)
 
#85
At the fork in the road do I go left or right?

You don't understand you idiot you should go straight because everyone else does and that is how it's done and whatever you do, do not ask why.

As I leave the atmosphere of the Earth and draw closer to landing on the Moon, how much will I need to slow down prior to touch down? (not directed at the NASA post)

What on Earth are you doing thinking about landing on the Moon? Do you realize how much money it costs to land on the Moon? Some folks deem it a waste to land on the Moon, it is more economical to fly around. I find it best to stay on the Light Side of the Moon. Do you like picking up Moon rocks? I was walking across the street and a School Bus went by with a Moon Sticker on the bumper.


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#86
Red Planet said:
At the fork in the road do I go left or right?

You don't understand you idiot you should go straight because everyone else does and that is how it's done and whatever you do, do not ask why.

As I leave the atmosphere of the Earth and draw closer to landing on the Moon, how much will I need to slow down prior to touch down? (not directed at the NASA post)

What on Earth are you doing thinking about landing on the Moon? Do you realize how much money it costs to land on the Moon? Some folks deem it a waste to land on the Moon, it is more economical to fly around. I find it best to stay on the Light Side of the Moon. Do you like picking up Moon rocks? I was walking across the street and a School Bus went by with a Moon Sticker on the bumper.


:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
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I want some of whatever you're smoking.
 
#87
May I use you as a reference when I apply for citizenship?

Thanks,
Jonathan
T-Bird said:
Hi.

As I live in a completely different area power-wise, I can't really help You much.

All I have to say though, that if the power outlets I see mentioned in this and other threads are for real, You US folks have the crappy end of the stick, that's for sure.

Over here the tiniest of places will have 3*16A 380V line. That's a garage for 2 cars by our standards ;).

A bigger place for, say 100 people, will either have 2 3*16A or 3*16A & 3*32A.

A "normal" place that has bands every week, has usually one 3*32A for lights and another 3*32A for the PA and the back-line.

A medium sized venue (for You, large for us) will usually have 3*64A or 3*125A main feed and possibly some additional smaller ones.

In places where bands usually play, I have never run out of juice, and I did sound semi professionally for a few years.

If there's limits, You have to live with them. I can tell from experience that usually the available power is what it is, making requirements and demands will mean zilch. At best You'll get ignored, at worst they'll make fun of you ;).

Regards
Sam
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#90
I think this whole thing is a exercise in foolish spending, for the sake of having the biggest. Make no difference that in terms of sound, it is the worst way to go about it. Are you buying all this because you CAN? That is great. Let me tell you about the rig I could have deployed.

Eight Yorkville LS1208 subwoofers
Eight Yorkville TX4 Full range loudspeakers
All of this was powered very well, and driven with DSP, etc.
If I wanted to get silly, I could have added in the entire monitor system, which would have about doubled the size of the rig.

Why did I not do that?? Because it would have been FOOLISH. Yes, when bands use to play, what, 40 years ago, they HAD to fill the "arena" from the stage. There were no capable PA systems. That has all changed. If I were playing in an "arena band" today, and really cared what I sounded like, I would hire the best sound guy I could find, and have ZERO stage volume.

The last thing I would ever spend that much money on is eighteen SVT cabs. Hell, take what that rig, and your monster/crazy/foollish GTR rig would cost, and buy a REAL PA system, and call it a day.

Of course, I know nothing at all....
 
#91
BassikLee said:
Of course, I know nothing at all....
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You're right, you know nothing at all... about rbonner. He's fully aware that this isn't the way things are done anymore. The very first post in this thread noted that, and also pointed out that he really doesn't give a damn.

What's the problem with someone doing something because they want to or think it's fun if it's not hurting anybody?
 
#92
Sartori said:
You're right, you know nothing at all... about rbonner. He's fully aware that this isn't the way things are done anymore. The very first post in this thread noted that, and also pointed out that he really doesn't give a damn.

What's the problem with someone doing something because they want to or think it's fun if it's not hurting anybody?
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That's right.
if rbonner wants to field 40 of them suckers and power um all up I say LET ER RIP. I would Love to be able to purchase that gear. Yet I can not,nor would I care to haul all of that around. And this does not make me envious, or want to poo poo on his parade. Hell I am stuck in the 80's a little bit myself, and remember those days fondly. No sir I am not jealous, but I will be a bit PI$$ED if we ain't invited to see that wall of doom fired up !
 
#93
D.M.N. said:
Bob, here's my suggestion:
Contact NASA, and somehow convince them to take this rig up to the ISS. If you could figure out a way to aim it, I think it would make an absolutely wonderful Orbital Weapon. You could power it of solar energy, so it would be environmentally friendly.......right up until the point where you flatten all the vegetation and animal life within a 2 mile radius of your target......

(And nobody bring up the fact that the sound waves couldn't travel through the vacuum and the atmosphere. We have to believe, we have to believe!)
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God...it is a death star!
 
#94
It is possible that I came off a bit harsh in the above. My point, however, is that I see it as a terrible waste of resources. In this case, his personal financial resources. If he really cared about tone, delivery to the audience for the band that does not exist, he would go about it differently. Or, maybe I am way off here. Put the money into as many SVT cabs as you want. Power the snot out of them, and when your bass has the sonic impact of a twinkie, don't come running to me. When the PA can't get the vocals up over the din of crap blowing off the stage, I will quietly roll my eyes....
 
#95
Well, I'm not going to read all the pages, but I have a thought. Most homes have a 200 amp service installed. This runs the whole house. Heat, air, hot water...everything. Why in the world you would need 100 amps to run a band, much less a rig, is beyond me.

I am a stickler for not underpowering components, but 100 amps is a lot.
 
#96
dog1 said:
Well, I'm not going to read all the pages, but I have a thought. Most homes have a 200 amp service installed. This runs the whole house. Heat, air, hot water...everything. Why in the world you would need 100 amps to run a band, much less a rig, is beyond me.

I am a stickler for not underpowering components, but 100 amps is a lot.
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Ah more post of the same.

Try reading the first post. :)
 
#98
BassikLee said:
It is possible that I came off a bit harsh in the above. My point, however, is that I see it as a terrible waste of resources. In this case, his personal financial resources. If he really cared about tone, delivery to the audience for the band that does not exist, he would go about it differently. Or, maybe I am way off here. Put the money into as many SVT cabs as you want. Power the snot out of them, and when your bass has the sonic impact of a twinkie, don't come running to me. When the PA can't get the vocals up over the din of crap blowing off the stage, I will quietly roll my eyes....
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You don't seem to get it. This isn't about being professional or anything like that. It's purely for fun. When it comes to rigs of doom, the why is irrelevant.
 
#99
dog1 said:
Why in the world you would need 100 amps to run a band, much less a rig, is beyond me.
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He doesn't, of course. Should he ever show up at a gig where a real pro-touring sound company is providing sound the stage manager will take one look at his rig, chuckle a bit, and then tell him what he can actually plug in, which might be two 8x10s and an amp or two to drive them with. Anything more will only interfere with the PA, and that the stage manager and FOH engineer won't allow. He can have all the cabs he wants for show, if he's paying his own roadies to schlep them, but what he gets to use isn't his call.
 
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