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Which 4x10'' cab to go with Ampeg SVT-7 Pro?

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Imaginos said:
Thanks! No wonder googling "neodynamic speakers" didn't yield the right results!



So, if the SVT-7 gives theoretically 600 watts at 8 ohms, I'm not going to notice it comparing side by side running it at 4 ohms with 1000 wats through a 4 ohm cab? Meaning that if I get even close to the maximum watts in either case I'll be blowing the speakers already? I just thought I'd have more wiggle room using a 4 ohm cab and higher watt read.
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It would actually be the other way around. You'd have more "wiggle" room with an 8 ohm cab. Besides, 600 watts @ 8 ohms is serious power, and already more than a typical 4x10 will handle. Almost always best to go with an 8 ohm cab, and in this case, certainly so.
 
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With my SVT-7 pro I A/B'd the HLF 410 and the Pro Neo 410 and there was just no comparison--the HLF sounded boomy and undefined compared the the Pro Neo which was loud, warm and articulate. Plus the Neo is half the weight! It IS a bit pricey though...
 

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Imaginos said:
Thanks! No wonder googling "neodynamic speakers" didn't yield the right results!



So, if the SVT-7 gives theoretically 600 watts at 8 ohms, I'm not going to notice it comparing side by side running it at 4 ohms with 1000 wats through a 4 ohm cab? Meaning that if I get even close to the maximum watts in either case I'll be blowing the speakers already? I just thought I'd have more wiggle room using a 4 ohm cab and higher watt read.
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I'm not an engineer, but to get "double the volume" you need to have 10x more watts. It's (over)simplification but you get the point. 600W vs 1000W won't produce noticeable volume gains. Doubling the speaker count, however, does the same effect of doubling the volume.

Why would you cripple yourself in your investment, no? ;)

A PN-410HLF sounds fantastic but it is on the pricey side :hmm:

Since you're in Europe, try checking out Ashdown's ABM 410 cabs. Warm, round tone. Very "vintage", imo. And you'd find them more regularly than TB members in the US.

Another candidate is Markbass's 104HF/HR although sadly I have no experience with them.
 
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sad_katz said:
I'm not an engineer, but to get "double the volume" you need to have 10x more watts. It's (over)simplification but you get the point. 600W vs 1000W won't produce noticeable volume gains. Doubling the speaker count, however, does the same effect of doubling the volume.

Why would you cripple yourself in your investment, no? ;)
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Yeah, I'm going with an 8 ohm cab now. Thanks for pointing this out. I would've been pissed later if I had realized that I can't really chain any more cabs. :p Currently I'm torn between Ampeg SVT-410HE (500 W, 8 ohms), Gallien Krueger NEO 410 (800 W, 8 ohms) and Ashdown CL-410H (1050 W, 8 ohms).
 
#30
*Definitely* try the them before buying. I was totally GAS'd for a GK MB500/NEO410 rig earlier this year and was ready to buy sight unseen.
Fortunately I had a chance to try one - I didn't like it.

It could have been a real bummer if I still went ahead and buy something I turned out didn't like :hmm:

I couldn't tell exactly what I didn't like about that rig. I certainly dislike that tweeter, and that it didn't excite me at all. But that's just me. I like warm, punchy low mids. Like Ampeg and Ashdown.
 
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Imaginos said:
Yeah, I'm going with an 8 ohm cab now. Thanks for pointing this out. I would've been pissed later if I had realized that I can't really chain any more cabs. :p Currently I'm torn between Ampeg SVT-410HE (500 W, 8 ohms), Gallien Krueger NEO 410 (800 W, 8 ohms) and Ashdown CL-410H (1050 W, 8 ohms).
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Ignore the power handling ratings. They're the least important spec out there because they use the spec of where the voice coils melt, not the spec where the speakers run out of xmax and start farting out. I have played literally a hundred 410's, both using ceramic speakers and neodymium, and in the real world, 400-500w worth of power handling is what you can expect to get out of them. The neos could probably eke out a bit more, but don't expect miracles. Ampeg's one of the few companies that rate their cabs in the believable range. The only place a 410 can take anywhere near 1050w without sounding like it's going to explode is Fantasy Island.
 
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JimmyM said:
Ignore the power handling ratings. They're the least important spec out there because they use the spec of where the voice coils melt, not the spec where the speakers run out of xmax and start farting out. I have played literally a hundred 410's, both using ceramic speakers and neodymium, and in the real world, 400-500w worth of power handling is what you can expect to get out of them. The neos could probably eke out a bit more, but don't expect miracles. Ampeg's one of the few companies that rate their cabs in the believable range. The only place a 410 can take anywhere near 1050w without sounding like it's going to explode is Fantasy Island.
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This thread is like a goldmine of good information. I'll probably go with the Ampeg unless I get some great deal on the GK or something. I have a 30 day return on one webshop so if for some reason it doesn't suit my tastes, I can send it back and try something else.

I asked this already in another thread but I'll ask here too: what would be a good protective, maybe even single slot rack (case) for this amp? I'm not going to add any rack tuners, power amps or anything else so it could work just as a protective shell.
 
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Imaginos said:
I asked this already in another thread but I'll ask here too: what would be a good protective, maybe even single slot rack (case) for this amp? I'm not going to add any rack tuners, power amps or anything else so it could work just as a protective shell.
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I was looking at this for my SVT7 but ended up putting in a rack with a Sansamp RPM and a 1U power thingy.

I may rethink and still get one of these anyway. You can get different tolex options as well.

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#35
While I haven't played on an SVT7 I do have an SVT4PRO connected to an SVT810E and it sounds killer. I know you're looking for a 4x10 cab, but I would suggest the 810E. You can use it as a 4x10 or an 8x10, it's able to withstand virtually anything, and can give you virtually any tone that you're looking for.

I'm not sure how much an 810E would cost you, but I would suggest at least trying one. If you're concerned about the weight, they have 2 wheels and a handle on the back for transportation.
 
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tlwaps said:
While I haven't played on an SVT7 I do have an SVT4PRO connected to an SVT810E and it sounds killer. I know you're looking for a 4x10 cab, but I would suggest the 810E. You can use it as a 4x10 or an 8x10, it's able to withstand virtually anything, and can give you virtually any tone that you're looking for.

I'm not sure how much an 810E would cost you, but I would suggest at least trying one. If you're concerned about the weight, they have 2 wheels and a handle on the back for transportation.
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I would if we had a van or a truck instead of a single station wagon our drummer owns. :p I got to get this rig to gigs without a hazzle.
 
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Depth_Charge said:
Bit of a revival but great thread, thanks!!
I pulled the trigger on an SVT 7 Pro today. Going to pick up an SVT-410HE soon to match it. I think I'm going to be very happy with this combination.

I just hope my DG Alpha Omega plays nicely with it.
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Don't see why it wouldn't. I have a 7 Pro and 410he and my dirt pedals play great with it. Turn off the tweeter and it should be fine.
 

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