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Which wireless system?

#41
bandbdad said:
I've had my G50 for a few years now and have experienced really short dropouts. Only for half a second, almost like it's resetting connection. My guitarist (I'm on bass) uses a G50 on a diff channel and has no problems. Anyone experience these sort of dropouts? Wifi is there, but nowhere near the receiver. As I said, he has no issues.

Today it pretty much died completely. My voodoo power supply works for my other pedals, but the G50 receiver wasn't getting enough juice to relay signal.

Considering switching to Sure due to the dropouts, but wonder if it may just be a mfg defect? Thoughts??
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Are both units upgraded to RF2?
You should use either RF1 or RF2 on all units used at the same time:

"The new V75, 55 and 35 default to RF2 mode, but include the ability to be switched into RF1 mode. You cannot use RF2 mode in the presence of any older Line 6 2.4G wireless (including Relay) in the same venue. If you try you will likely get failures in both the old and new units. Just say no! You can check using the RF scan feature included in XD-V75 receivers."

Line 6 site
 
#42
bandbdad said:
I've had my G50 for a few years now and have experienced really short dropouts...

Today it pretty much died completely. My voodoo power supply works for my other pedals, but the G50 receiver wasn't getting enough juice to relay signal.
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How much load are you putting on that power supply? The PSU Line 6 ships with the G50 delivers 500mA, and the G50 consumes something close to that. My pedalboard has a 1 Spot 1700mA supply that feeds the rest of my stompboxes very comfortably, but can't handle the additional load of the G50, so it gets a dedicated supply (the Line 6). You didn't mention which Voodoo power unit you're using, but some of them only supply 400mA max per 9V cable...

Still, you may just have a defective unit. I've heard what I thought were some tiny glitch artifacts on the G50 when I was testing it in a space with two WiFi base stations within a few feet of the Relay, but never anything in rehearsal or gigging situations (where I have a guitarist who's also using a G50, on a different channel). But I'm talkin' *tiny* glitches, of a tiny fraction of a second.
 
#44
the Line6 G series and some of the Shure units are pretty solid wireless, I've been planning to invest in one and had a few conversations with local bands about them, and they all said Line6 and Shure are pretty good for tone preservation. one thing to note is that wireless can affect the tone adversely depending on the signal strength, so it might be a good idea to add a low-pass filter to the receiving end to restore any lost low-end... and a suppressor in case you get close to the outside range of the unit and almost fizz out... although, the range seems to be pretty good on the Line6 ones, they're better than cable if you are on large stages as well as you can freely stage dive and run round the stage like leprechauns to a pot of gold without pulling a lead out... and apparently, they're pretty good on battery life as well... guess it really depends on the batteries you decide to use though!!
 
#45
FC Bass said:
Are both units upgraded to RF2?
You should use either RF1 or RF2 on all units used at the same time:

"The new V75, 55 and 35 default to RF2 mode, but include the ability to be switched into RF1 mode. You cannot use RF2 mode in the presence of any older Line 6 2.4G wireless (including Relay) in the same venue. If you try you will likely get failures in both the old and new units. Just say no! You can check using the RF scan feature included in XD-V75 receivers."

Line 6 site
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Thanks for posting this! I didn't even know about this update. Heck, I didn't even know my G30 was firmware-upgradeable!

Now to figure out how to get access to a V75 receiver....
 
#47
I have successfully used a Relay G50 and now a G55 (rack mounted unit). Works great!

I did a series of DI tests with a REDDI and a Monique preamp - comparing cabled connections for each to wireless connections (including the "cable simulation mode" built into the G50/55). You can read about these tests and listen to the recordings on my blog here. The essence: can't tell the difference between wired and Relay wireless.

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#50
Before I got the Relay, I had a Samson Concert77 (I believe it has the same receiver as the Airline) - Correction=> Synth looks more high end than the concert series
Absolutely the worst wireless I ever had...
Hissing like crazy and extreme cut-off in the lower regions, send it back for checkup/repair and got it back with the same symptoms...
I still have it, wouldn't want to sell it (or give it away for free) to my worst enemy.

Other units I had were: AKG wms40, wms80, wms300 and Sennheisser ew100
The Sennheisser was the best, but also lacking in the low end. I sold it to our guitar player, seems to work fine for him.

Before there were digital systems , there was always a compromise between tone and mobility. (also with high end systems, hence some pro players won't use wireless => Brian May etc)

If you don't want to compromise on tone and want free movement onstage, go digital ;-)
There are other brands selling digital systems also, from the top of my head: Sony, Stageclicks, AKG and some others.

In the relay series, all systems (that I've tried) have the same sound quality.
The more expensive units just have more options/channels. (I like the scan function of the G90)

If you have the old version of the G-90, you'll have two extra channels (14 total) after the firmware upgrade :-)
 
#51
I use an Audio Technica ATW1101G. Got it as an xmas present as my X2 bit the dust. So far it's been rock solid and I can't notice a difference in tone at the gig. One caveat tho, I have a RA Mouse 30 and I need to turn down the input sensitivity a touch on the wireless, else it will introduce some distortion as the 30 puts out a lot of signal. None of my other basses have this isue tho, so I do run the rest of them with the input sensitivity maxed out.

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ATW1101G/
 
#53
azwhofan said:
I use an Audio Technica ATW1101G. Got it as an xmas present as my X2 bit the dust. So far it's been rock solid and I can't notice a difference in tone at the gig. One caveat tho, I have a RA Mouse 30 and I need to turn down the input sensitivity a touch on the wireless, else it will introduce some distortion as the 30 puts out a lot of signal. None of my other basses have this isue tho, so I do run the rest of them with the input sensitivity maxed out.

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ATW1101G/
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AT System 10 I've heard great things about. They have one now with a guitar pedal receiver:
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#54
According to the AKG website, the WMS 40 Mini covers 40Hz to20KHz. I have noticed a small difference at home between my cable and the mini but playing out, at volume, not so much. It really does a good job and for the price, sounds good and goes lower (40Hz) than anything else that I saw on the market. 30 hours battery life on a single AA works well too. That was about how long I am getting although I haven't timed it exactly. IOW, the battery lasts a long time :)

http://www.akg.com/SR40+Mini-1280.html?pid=383
 
#55
FC Bass said:
Before I got the Relay, I had a Samson Concert77 (I believe it has the same receiver as the Airline) - Correction=> Synth looks more high end than the concert series
Absolutely the worst wireless I ever had...
Hissing like crazy and extreme cut-off in the lower regions, send it back for checkup/repair and got it back with the same symptoms...
I still have it, wouldn't want to sell it (or give it away for free) to my worst enemy.

Other units I had were: AKG wms40, wms80, wms300 and Sennheisser ew100
The Sennheisser was the best, but also lacking in the low end. I sold it to our guitar player, seems to work fine for him.

Before there were digital systems , there was always a compromise between tone and mobility. (also with high end systems, hence some pro players won't use wireless => Brian May etc)

If you don't want to compromise on tone and want free movement onstage, go digital ;-)
There are other brands selling digital systems also, from the top of my head: Sony, Stageclicks, AKG and some others.

In the relay series, all systems (that I've tried) have the same sound quality.
The more expensive units just have more options/channels. (I like the scan function of the G90)

If you have the old version of the G-90, you'll have two extra channels (14 total) after the firmware upgrade :-)
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The Samson Concert77 & the Airline Synth are not even the same.

I've had great luck with Samson ... I bought a Concert TD back in the 80's & it was awesome.

I know the upper end Line 6's are good but I've seen the G30's have problems with drop outs
 
#56
Have you ever had a problem with the 1/4 inch to 1/8 inch instrument cable? I think mine is bad. When I move around with my bass, the power cuts in and out to the receiver. Is this common if the cable is bad?
 
#58
I have a G30 but don't trust it. The first one would drop out intermittently during gigs. Line 6 repaired it, but it still seems to be very sensitive to any kind of radio interference. I've gone through all 6 channels on some gigs and still had drop-outs. I'm always prepared to yank the cord from the base unit and plug it into my bass.
 
#59
I've had a relay G50 since they first came out. (It's old enough that it can't be upgraded to the RF2 firmware). I have never had a problem, the hardware is bulletproof tough, my only complaint is that all of the labeling is worn off the transmitter, so you have to remember what the buttons do.
As I understand it, the RF2 doesn't increase performance, but allows more units in the same environment, so I'm not disappointed that it's not available for my transmitter.
Overall it's far better than the (analog) Shure that it replaced. Getting rid of the compander makes a huge difference.
I would give it an unqualified "two thumbs up".
 
#60
I use a Shure GLX-D16 system. It's built rock solid, very good built in tuner, has never dropped a signal in about 6 months since I got it. The only gripe I have with the hardware side of things is the flimsy rubber flap that covers the charging port was ripped off the first or second gig I did. Past that, it's been great. Awesome battery life, convenient charging.

The tone.... Well, to my ears there is no loss whatsoever. There is some added highs that I typically didn't get though when using a cable. Line 6 markets their units with a high end roll off feature to combat the pureness of the digital signal vs the capacitive high end roll off that using a cable can make. The Shure system doesn't have any on board EQ to dial back the highs. In my case, I just rolled the treble pot on my bass back a bit to compensate. The mids and lows are as true to the bass as ever though.

They are not cheap but I've completely happy with the Shure GLX-D16's build quality, performance, and tone.
 

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