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Who are the top vintage refinishers out there?

In the past I remember having bumped into a bunch of websites for pretty good guitar/bass refinishers, but I've slept many times since then. I just searched on here and it seems like most of the posts about refinishing are along the lines of DIY, and I'm not interested in that.

I've got a 1960 Fender Precision basketcase and the body has been stripped and now has sanding sealer on it. I'd like to have a period correct paint job, maybe with some light aging to match the neck. There's a small bit of damage to the wood on the side of the neck pocket that will probably need to be addressed too. I think I want more than just a paint shop, because the neck hasn't been on this body in the 15 years that I've owned it and who knows how much longer before that. What I'm saying is it'll probably need someone with luthiery skills to cobble back together..

So, I wanted to ask here who the top folks are these days for pre-CBS fender work.

(and yeah, I know it's expensive.)
 
Pat Wilkins just refinished my '64 Jazz, which had been hippy-stripped to natural long ago. Have a look!

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In the past I remember having bumped into a bunch of websites for pretty good guitar/bass refinishers, but I've slept many times since then. I just searched on here and it seems like most of the posts about refinishing are along the lines of DIY, and I'm not interested in that.

I've got a 1960 Fender Precision basketcase and the body has been stripped and now has sanding sealer on it. I'd like to have a period correct paint job, maybe with some light aging to match the neck. There's a small bit of damage to the wood on the side of the neck pocket that will probably need to be addressed too. I think I want more than just a paint shop, because the neck hasn't been on this body in the 15 years that I've owned it and who knows how much longer before that. What I'm saying is it'll probably need someone with luthiery skills to cobble back together..

So, I wanted to ask here who the top folks are these days for pre-CBS fender work.

(and yeah, I know it's expensive.)

You said period correct and presumably what that means to you is NC lacquer.

Do you want lacquer or polyurethane?
 
You said period correct and presumably what that means to you is NC lacquer.

You presumed correctly; I'd like nitro. Though, I do have some questions around the topic that I'd like to pose to a skilled refinisher..

The custom colors for '60 included some from the Duco line which were nitrocellulose lacquer, and some from the Lucite line which were acrylic lacquer. Most of the noise in vintage guitars is around the nitro stuff, and I have one instrument with a nitro finish that I like a lot.. but I'm curious to hear more about the acrylics. Especially because Olympic White is high on my list and it was acrylic. (which raises a lot of questions.. every oly white instrument from the era that I've seen look like they wear the same as nitro.. or maybe all the ones I've seen are just refinishes with the wrong paint)

But I guess this is why I'm looking for someone who specializes in vintage stuff specifically. I had seen some of Pat Wilkins work, and it looks high quality, but all of the examples I have seen of his look really modern, or even when it's a vintage refinish style, like s_wood's up there, it just looks new to my eye. (still looks great, just not what I'm going for!) I want to have the body done with a level of patination that matches the survivor neck. I feel like finding a vintage refinishing expert will help make those decisions about the nuance of the paint to make it match and will know which paints take what types of simulated aging.

But back to your question.. yeah, I expect someone doing a vintage resto to know how to do both nitro or poly. I mean, I've got rattle cans of nitro from re-ranch in the closet, but this is too valuable an instrument (in dollars and in memory - was my deceased uncle's) to not find a specialist for.
 
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MJT did the refin on my 51 body. They can do anything from closet classic finish to heavy relic. However, the body [or neck] provided need to be prepped and ready to paint.

Yeah! I saw their site yesterday. They are a little heavier handed than I'd prefer, but it's definitely down the right path. If you don't mind me asking, how much did your '51 finish set you back? (no worries if you don't want to say)
 
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You presumed correctly; I'd like nitro. Though, I do have some questions around the topic that I'd like to pose to a skilled refinisher..

The custom colors for '60 included some from the Duco line which were nitrocellulose lacquer, and some from the Lucite line which were acrylic lacquer. Most of the noise in vintage guitars is around the nitro stuff, and I have one instrument with a nitro finish that I like a lot.. but I'm curious to hear more about the acrylics. Especially because Olympic White is high on my list and it was acrylic. (which raises a lot of questions.. every oly white instrument from the era that I've seen look like they wear the same as nitro.. or maybe all the ones I've seen are just refinishes with the wrong paint)

But I guess this is why I'm looking for someone who specializes in vintage stuff specifically. I had seen some of Pat Wilkins work, and it looks high quality, but all of the examples I have seen of his look really modern, or even when it's a vintage refinish style, like s_wood's up there, it just looks new to my eye. (still looks great, just not what I'm going for!) I want to have the body done with a level of patination that matches the survivor neck. I feel like finding a vintage refinishing expert will help make those decisions about the nuance of the paint to make it match and will know which paints take what types of simulated aging.

But back to your question.. yeah, I expect someone doing a vintage resto to know how to do both nitro or poly. I mean, I've got rattle cans of nitro from re-ranch in the closet, but this is too valuable an instrument (in dollars and in memory - was my deceased uncle's) to not find a specialist for.


Have you ever read this, Fender Custom Colors: Color Confusion?

Whether it was Duco NC or Lucite acrylic was a function of who made what color at that time. Whether either received a clear NC top coat was a function of Fender production triage/choices or rather how busy they were at the moment.

Fender used Lucite acrylic lacquer for certain colors like Olympic White and for the metallic based custom colors; Candy Apple Red for example. For CAR, Fender used Lucite silver then sprayed over that clear NC lacquer top with red tint added; or translucent red top coat.

When Fender sprayed Olympic White, a Lucite color, they may or may not have sprayed a NC top coat, depending again on how busy they were. Examples of '60s Oly White Fenders with and without top coat exist. This is covered in the above in depth article. Whether the Oly White was oversprayed with NC top coat would largely factor in how the finish aged or yellowed; thus a large part of observable variability you may be referring to. Plus there's small variability in formulations of NC lacquers and solvent combinations--chemistry--that contribute to how finishes age differently over time. No doubt there are plenty of Oly White refins in the wild done myriad slightly different ways, too.

There's plenty of random elements involved.

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On the matter of whom use.

Pat Wilkins doesn't do Nitro. Independent guitar finish shops that do nitro vs those who use polyurethane generally tend to stay firmly in one lane or the other, instead of working with both.

MJT and Starr do what you're looking for, as mentioned above. I'm sure there are a few others; I'd have to google that to recall.

MJT offers degrees of aging or relcing. Their 'closet clean' is the closest to what you seem to be seeking. You should look at their site online. They show lots visual/images regarding color, degree of fading, checking, relecing, etc to choose from.

An example of closet clean Oly White from MJT.
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Yeah! I saw their site yesterday. They are a little heavier handed than I'd prefer, but it's definitely down the right path. If you don't mind me asking, how much did your '51 finish set you back? (no worries if you don't want to say)
My goal was to replicate exactly how I found the body back in 1989, and to match the natural aging of the 55 neck. MJT will work w/ you on the level of relic desired. They've also done another project for me w/ minimal relic, which had a quicker turnaround.

This project was done in 2019 and cost about $450.00 all in & shipped.:thumbsup:
 
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Yeah, I was actually just looking at it again earlier today on the topic of fullerplast / primer. But yeah, that top coat and it's inconsistency could explain the variations in wear. Too many arbitrary decisions to make!

MJT sounds nice, but I still have the problem of the neck pocket repair, and stripping/prep. I'd really rather make this a one stop deal if I can, so just casting the net wide.
 
Yeah, I was actually just looking at it again earlier today on the topic of fullerplast / primer. But yeah, that top coat and it's inconsistency could explain the variations in wear. Too many arbitrary decisions to make!

MJT sounds nice, but I still have the problem of the neck pocket repair, and stripping/prep. I'd really rather make this a one stop deal if I can, so just casting the net wide.

MJT strips for an additional fee. I don't know about the neck pocket or what they may or maynot offer for that; I wouldn't surprised either way about their capabilities in that regard.
 
The '64 Jazz Bass I posted earlier in this thread was finished by Pat Wilkins two months ago.

Okay, but with lacquer though? The OP said they want lacquer.

On the Wilkins Guitar site it says they do ""Vintage" look..." or ""correct" vintage colors..." Nowhere do they indicate they use lacquer. On other forums online, where Wilkins is discussed or referred to, it's indicated they only use polyurethane.

Marty Bell, also here in Southern California, does vintage correct colors too; in polyurethane only. Same with Warmoth up in Washington.
 
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Okay, but with lacquer though? The OP said they want lacquer.

Oops… the whole reason I posted that was to tell the OP that my 64 Jazz was refinished by Pat Wilkins in nitro - and then I left that phrase out of my post! I've edited to correct my mistake.

To be clear: Pat Wilkins will refinish using nitro lacquer. That's what was used for my bass. Just call him and ask! He's great to talk to.
 
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I'm late to this one but will throw in my 2 cents (if it's worth that...)

Agree on the John K suggestion and he has the luthiery skills to deal with the neck pocket area issues.

Certainly interesting that Pat Wilkins has added nitro to his offerings. That wasn't the case in the past.

As to who are the best at period correct pre-CBS finishes - depends on where one is located and, to a degree, what finish is wanted. Particularly on blondes and the various bursts (a '60 burst being quite different from, say, a late '64 type). For blondes, Carson Hess is amazing. Joe Riggio in Washington State does great work and has very good luthiery skills. Gord Miller in Canada is one of the best. The very best overall that I've seen is Clive Brown in the UK - his work can easily pass for original.

On the acrylic vs nitro lacquers I don't see much difference and they are often just lumped together as "nitro" even if it's not really correct - both wear very quickly compared to the later poly finishes. Pretty much all the metallics except Sherwood Green were acrylic but Fender always sprayed clear nitro over the metallic colors so far as I'm aware. It was sometimes skipped on the other solid colors (and was generally not done before '62-early '63 on those colors - i.e. if I see an Oly White '60 with yellowed clearcoat, it's near certain it's a refin).
 
Something else you should know:

Many of the pro painters out there are doing "hybrid" finishes these days. For example, spraying the base coats, color coats, and some clear coats in polyurethane or polyester, then putting a few coats of nitro lacquer on top. The nitro top coats can be made to crack and discolor to look "vintage". But everything underneath is solid and tough. They may call it a Nitro Lacquer Finish because, overall, it looks authentic vintage. But it's better and more durable than a genuine old Nitro Lacquer Finish.

My buddy Keith Horne does that on his guitars. Water-base polyurethane for most of the finish, and about 4 coats of acrylic lacquer on top. He can add some slight tinting to the lacquer, and put the guitar in the freezer overnight, to get it to crack and look just like aged nitro. He uses Cardinal's Acrylic Lacquer, which is similar in properties to Nitro Lacquer, but somewhat less flammable and hazardous.

I don't use any Nitro Lacquer here in my shop. Too dangerous, too much work and time to do a finish, not durable, expensive. To me, the only rational reason to use nitro lacquer these days is if you are trying to replicate an old cracked worn finish.