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Who else thinks the HT115 should come back?

#41
tombowlus said:
While I can somewhat hear where you are coming from with regard to the HT210/HT310 (though I would still not call them 'clinical'), I really don't hear that with regard to the HT115. True, it has more articulation than the average 1x15, but I also think it has a nice, full, punchy tone throughout, and I would certainly not call it clinical or hi-fi in the upper mids.

As always, YMMV.

Tom.
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The one I spent time with had the same horn as the HT210/310. Maybe that wasn't the standard model. The top end sounded identical to me.

'Clinical' probably has more negative connotations than I meant to imply. It's a 'lack of warmth' more than anything else... a very precise, cutting, uber clean sort of upper mid response that just screams 'hi fi' to me as we typically use that term regarding bass amplification. That can be a very good thing (e.g., if you have a nice, modern voiced, soapbar humbucking sort of instrument and are looking for that 'bass as a grand piano' sort of tone), or it can sound harsh and lifeless if you have a more vintage, single coil type sounding instrument. IMO and IME.

I do agree that the HT115 seems to have a touch less of the above described tone. I wonder if the horn is crossed over just a bit higher than with the HT210 or HT210s.
 
#42
KJung said:
The one I spent time with had the same horn as the HT210/310. Maybe that wasn't the standard model. The top end sounded identical to me.
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They do have the same tweeter, and while the 'treble region' of the HT115 may be similar to that of the 10" equipped HT models, I would say that the upper mid response is quite a bit different (IME/IMHO).

Tom.
 
#43
KJung said:
'Clinical' probably has more negative connotations than I meant to imply. It's a 'lack of warmth' more than anything else... a very precise, cutting, uber clean sort of upper mid response that just screams 'hi fi' to me
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Again, I would definitely not ascribe these types of characteristics to the HT115, though I can see where you are coming from with the 210 and 310.
 
#44
Anyone know the compression driver used in that cab? Because the horn itself probably has a cutoff around 2K Hz. That means you won't get appreciable response below that anyway, even if it was crossed over lower.

By bass cab standards you need a pretty large horn to reach down to a 1K Hz crossover, which is where a 15" woofer will be beaming severely. A slightly smaller horn and a pretty good compression driver would get you down to 1.5K Hz, but I don't think that horn probably can make that response.
 
#45
greenboy said:
Anyone know the compression driver used in that cab? Because the horn itself probably has a cutoff around 2K Hz. That means you won't get appreciable response below that anyway, even if it was crossed over lower.

By bass cab standards you need a pretty large horn to reach down to a 1K Hz crossover, which is where a 15" woofer will be beaming severely. A slightly smaller horn and a pretty good compression driver would get you down to 1.5K Hz, but I don't think that horn probably can make that response.
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I'm not sure, but here's a picture of that horn (in my HT210s). It's a beautiful sounding thing.. very clean and smooth, and it does seem like, at least in the 210 versions, that there's quite a bit of sound coming out of it in the upper mid range area (you can really hear this when you turn it off.... it seems everything about 1K or so goes away... but that's just a guess).

K


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#46
I agree, although it's a much larger horn than the typical Fostex ones (which only go down to about 3.5kHz) it isn't big enough to work much below 2kHz. But a good 15" can go to about 4kHz on-axis and if the high frequencies are predominantly coming from the dustcap then the off-axis response at a 2kHz crossover point should be pretty decent.

Regarding things sounding 'clinical' it's not a term I see much use for because it covers so many deficiencies, some of which could be with the instrument, not the amplification. I don't care whether the 1-4kHz area is covered by a good horn tweeter, a good midrange or an extended range woofer, as long as it sounds good!

Alex
 
#47
As a regular user of both the HT115 and the HT210--both separately and in tandem--I hear these cabs more like Tom does than Ken. While I agree with Ken that the HT115 has a tighter low end than the HT210 and that the HT210 actually has a greater low end response, I don't hear a difference that is so significant I could say the HT115 "doesn't have nearly the low end extension" of the HT210. I'd describe the difference as "slight" to 'somewhat".

Like Tom (once again), I hear the upper mids of the Bergs as more "articulate" than "clinical". To me, the Bergs are warmer and smoother--less dry and sterile--than cabs I normally characterize as "clinincal". Personal preferences undoubtedly play a big role here, in addition to semantics. My preferred cab response (like my long-time impression of Tom's preference) is stronger in the low end and lower mids than the upper mids and highs that I know are more important to Ken. As a result, I use Acmes and Bergs, but not Epifanis. I have a hunch our repsective preferences are also reflected in our power/preamp equipment and our EQ settings.

On a broader note, I really have to agree with you, Ken, about the HT210S. One of my revelations came a couple of years ago when I did an A/B comparison of the HT210s and the EA NL210. I had always found the NL210 to be a fine 2x10, but I thought the HT210S creamed it with better low end response, "less constricted" mids and highs and more overall presence--without the "darkness" I find characteristc of many EAs. I think your HT210S/HT122S stack represents some of Jim's finest designs and might be the best pair to date for combining broad and smooth frequency response, versatility and convenient size (especially with the HT122S instead of the HT112S). I often regret that I didn't write the check as soon as I finished that comparison.

Getting back to the OP's original point:
KJung said:
...if you are looking for wide, clean, deep and relatively hi fi, these older Berg's are pretty cool.
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+++1! That is what I look for and you're right--the HT115 provides it in spades.

Bluesy Soul :cool:
 
#48
Bluesy Soul said:
As a regular user of both the HT115 and the HT210--both separately and in tandem--I hear these cabs more like Tom does than Ken. While I agree with Ken that the HT115 has a tighter low end than the HT210 and that the HT210 actually has a greater low end response, I don't hear a difference that is so significant I could say the HT115 "doesn't have nearly the low end extension" of the HT210. I'd describe the difference as "slight" to 'somewhat".

Like Tom (once again), I hear the upper mids of the Bergs as more "articulate" than "clinical". To me, the Bergs are warmer and smoother--less dry and sterile--than cabs I normally characterize as "clinincal". Personal preferences undoubtedly play a big role here, in addition to semantics. My preferred cab response (like my long-time impression of Tom's preference) is stronger in the low end and lower mids than the upper mids and highs that I know are more important to Ken. As a result, I use Acmes and Bergs, but not Epifanis. I have a hunch our repsective preferences are also reflected in our power/preamp equipment and our EQ settings.

On a broader note, I really have to agree with you, Ken, about the HT210S. One of my revelations came a couple of years ago when I did an A/B comparison of the HT210s and the EA NL210. I had always found the NL210 to be a fine 2x10, but I thought the HT210S creamed it with better low end response, "less constricted" mids and highs and more overall presence--without the "darkness" I find characteristc of many EAs. I think your HT210S/HT122S stack represents some of Jim's finest designs and might be the best pair to date for combining broad and smooth frequency response, versatility and convenient size (especially with the HT122S instead of the HT112S). I often regret that I didn't write the check as soon as I finished that comparison.

Getting back to the OP's original point:
+++1! That is what I look for and you're right--the HT115 provides it in spades.

Bluesy Soul :cool:
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+1 to all the above. Again, my term 'clinical' carried more negative connotations than I meant it to. The upper mid response is definitely 'different' than any other cab I've ever played, and that will be a positive to some and a negative to others. Unique voicing up there to my ear!.

I still dig my 's' stack quite a bit, and it provides a unique tone... clean, creamy, crisp and deep. Very nice!
 
#49
In the form of a passive Ip153 - with a 6" for midrange, and the nice bullet tweeter from the HT112's. With attenuators for the mids/highs, of course, and it should be bi-ampable at least.

After hearing some great new 15's lately (Markbass) and being very impressed, I just know Jim's would blow them out of the water.

Cheers,
Cameron
 
#53
I know I don't have nice carpet like Tombowlus... but I did manage to find a fine pair of HT115's down in my basement! :p :bassist:


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It took me a good 6 months to find a couple minty fresh ones, but as we all know, Jim's HT115 has got to be one of THE finest specimens around.

To my ear... this rig is BALANCED. Clean and fat... top to bottom, soooo clean and fat infact... its 'clinical' ;) :p Gotta love these 15's. It's a tad underpowered with the walkabout, but the rig still sounds so damn good!

So it's a big +1 on bringin' the HT115 back for me... spread the love around! :cool:
 
#55
speyer said:
I know I don't have nice carpet like Tombowlus... but I did manage to find a fine pair of HT115's down in my basement! :p :bassist:


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It took me a good 6 months to find a couple minty fresh ones, but as we all know, Jim's HT115 has got to be one of THE finest specimens around.

To my ear... this rig is BALANCED. Clean and fat... top to bottom, soooo clean and fat infact... its 'clinical' ;) :p Gotta love these 15's. It's a tad underpowered with the walkabout, but the rig still sounds so damn good!

So it's a big +1 on bringin' the HT115 back for me... spread the love around! :cool:
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Wow, man! You're becoming Canada's answer to Mr. B!

And you got a Millenia? Which one? Also, tried these?

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Pretty sweet. They've got a compressor coming out soon.

Had another heart attack - live at the Harmony Arts Festival in West Van - the band couldn't tell -;)

They're not a lot of fun; I don't recommend them. Recovering at home now from bypass surgery. :atoz:


Cheers,
Cameron
 
#56
Bassflute said:
Wow, man! You're becoming Canada's answer to Mr. B!
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LOL! I've only got the 4 bergs with a scout combo and two basses; one being an upright. But I do like buying nice gear that I don't need, if that's what you mean. :smug: (kiddin' Tom)

Bassflute said:
And you got a Millenia? Which one? Also, tried these? [Invalid or Expired Link Removed] Pretty sweet. They've got a compressor coming out soon.
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Yes, I bought a TD-1 last year for use with my IP112 stack. It Kills. Best front end ever IMHO. Makes me wish I had an IP in my HT115. Also, I did look at the great river stuff back then... super cool:cool: and super expensivo :eek:

Bassflute said:
Had another heart attack - live at the Harmony Arts Festival in West Van - the band couldn't tell -;)
They're not a lot of fun; I don't recommend them. Recovering at home now from bypass surgery. :atoz:
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Geezus Cam! :( Live, on stage during one of your SICK bass solo's I'm sure. You're an animal. :eek: I hope you recover well my friend. :)

Sincerely,

Pat.
 

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