That story is so ironic because the guy trying to cut somebody literally cut himself out of a gig.
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Why Andrew Gouche stuck with Gospel.
- Thread starter Dr. Cheese
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That story is so ironic because the guy trying to cut somebody literally cut himself out of a gig.
Many gospel cats don't enjoy the restraints that come with playing secular music. There's a LOT of freedom playing 'urban' gospel music. When you play with Prince and Prince ain't happy with your playing...........says a lot!
Gospel was not always that free, and I think freedom is not as pronounced now as it was ten years ago. These days, CCM is really having a big influence on Gospel and that is a simpler form of music and it is hard to overplay it and sound good.
Are you referring to the Prince thing? I don’t think Gouche lost any sleep over that. I posted on a thread about a song he played on as a teenager and he was very plesant.
Maybe so. I have some experience playing with cats who come from the church and they had a hard time containing themselves and basically 'shedded' during (secular) gigs. Gouche is a great bass player and I think he's better suited to playing in the church setting. Just my opinion. I also wouldn't want to be around folks who need to be violent to settle an argument! I get it.
You have way more gigging experience than I do and I have no doubt you ran into undisciplined players. Great players know how to rein it in. Gouche has significant experience playing secular gigs, but he certainly became a legend because of his Gospel playing.
If memory serves he was using his church experience term of teaching the next generation by having them sit with the teacher/mentor and some folks snapped at him
I think he reads TB but only responds if had something special like the time I said that I thought Joel Williams played on a song that actually Gouche had played on when he was 18. He posted and told me so.
I never knew anything about that. Anybody who didn’t have sense enough to be quiet and listen to a master cheated him or herself.
I am not connected in professional circles, but I never heard that Prince did not like Gouche’s playing. My personal suspicion is that Prince hired Gouche as a flex after Gouche blew off Prince’s suggestions when Gouche was MD of the BET Music Awards and Prince was one of the performers. I’m sure Prince was not used to musicians ignoring his instructions.
I recall that there was some sort of conflict. Probably was that awards show.
He stopped doing R&B because "R&B people are crazy" huh?
Well, bro... Gospel's got its own kind of crazy going on. Check out Terence Fisher's story about touring with a major gospel band. I'll never look at the word "discretion" the same way again.
And as for Andrew Gouche's reputation on TalkBass, I think this is the thread people were referring to: https://www.talkbass.com/threads/wh...-violate-exchange-with-andrew-gouche.1421893/
(A lot of people in the thread were referring to him as "Andrew Grouch" or "Andrew Gauche." And I'll admit, I hadn't heard of Andrew Gouche prior and that thread kinda soured my opinion of him).
Well, bro... Gospel's got its own kind of crazy going on. Check out Terence Fisher's story about touring with a major gospel band. I'll never look at the word "discretion" the same way again.
And as for Andrew Gouche's reputation on TalkBass, I think this is the thread people were referring to: https://www.talkbass.com/threads/wh...-violate-exchange-with-andrew-gouche.1421893/
(A lot of people in the thread were referring to him as "Andrew Grouch" or "Andrew Gauche." And I'll admit, I hadn't heard of Andrew Gouche prior and that thread kinda soured my opinion of him).
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I don’t think I will look at that thread. Ignorance is bliss.
A very wise decision on your part, Doc...
I took a look at the thread, and it’s not good, on anybodys’ part. I have never heard the “sitting under” phrase, but yeah it’s not too hard to figure out. But before I paid someone $150 I would want to make sure exactly what I was paying for. And, when someone is offering to be a mentor and a teacher, I would hope they would have the maturity and patience to answer even a “stupid” question. People later in the thread were quite rude, but the initial question was not.
I do know who Gouche is, and I respect his playing and knowledge. A lot. But still…
Sorry to go off on this tangent.
I do know who Gouche is, and I respect his playing and knowledge. A lot. But still…
Sorry to go off on this tangent.
I do know the phrase - it implies a level of extreme virtuosity, broad public reverence and multi-dimensional greatness of the individual and it is a phrase normally used by folks other than the teacher, i.e. the student : "I studied under so-and-so" or "... I was under so-and-so...". It is not usually used by a person about themselves - doing so can be very revealing in terms of their opinion of themselves, IMHO. YMMV
