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Why aren't you using tube amps?

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The last time a guy asked Jimmy the same question three times, this happened:

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I don't want that on my head for having posed the offending question, so let me quickly explain that
Jimmy plays a lot of fifties rock and doo-wop which doesn't feature overdriven guitars.
If you were backing Eddie Cocharan you'd probably have enough power with a 50 watt Bassman, too.
I posed the question to him knowing his genre and volume levels.
I did not pose the question on the assumption the answer applies to your hard rock band.

Hope that helps.... stop a karate fest. :(
I think a lot depends on the size and type of venue And if you're going through the PA, whether your own or "house" And if the amp is "pushing the room" or is just your stage monitor:)
 
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The last time a guy asked Jimmy the same question three times, this happened:

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I don't want that on my head for having posed the offending question, so let me quickly explain that
Jimmy plays a lot of fifties rock and doo-wop which doesn't feature overdriven guitars.
If you were backing Eddie Cocharan you'd probably have enough power with a 50 watt Bassman, too.
I posed the question to him knowing his genre and volume levels.
I did not pose the question on the assumption the answer applies to your hard rock band.

Hope that helps.... stop a karate fest. :(
Errr...... I feel there is some kind of mistake here. If you guys think I asked Jimmy somthing like "Hey Jimmy, I just want to check if you really know your stuff by asking what kind of venues you play as I feel you might some kind of noob", you miss the point.
My question was not loaded in any ways. Just read it as it is. Nothing less nothing more....
 
Thanks, but once again, with feeling: Mine was a specific question about a specific piece of gear used with a specific application posed to a specific player.
I know. Just thought throw in $.02 since I play small, fairly quiet venues and a lot of people on here(TB)Apparently play places where they turn up to 11. "Oh, Lord, Please don't let me be misunderstood"
 
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I know. Just thought throw in $.02 since I play small, fairly quiet venues and a lot of people on here(TB)Apparently play places where they turn up to 11. "Oh, Lord, Please don't let me be misunderstood"

My friend John told me he once played Shea Stadium with a 125 watt amp. They did need to mic it, though.

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I think a lot depends on the size and type of venue And if you're going through the PA, whether your own or "house" And if the amp is "pushing the room" or is just your stage monitor:)

It also depends on the music you're playing and the band you're in - for example, my Rumble 200 Combo can cover most of my gigs currently, but would've gotten buried in a band I played in a couple years ago...
 
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Interestingly, the "guitar amp" John is playing at Shea stadium is actually Paul's old bass amp, which can be seen in various photos from 64 and 65 in this thread.

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Here is the amp and its story:

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© 1998 - 2018 The Vox Showroom, all rights reserved. No use on online auctions, eBay or Reverb.


In late 1963, Vox scurried the first fifty watt AC-50 amps to the John Lennon and George Harrison of the Beatles. The output of their former AC-30 amps proved to be no match for the screaming girls in their audiences. In less than a year and a string of #1 records later, the AC-50s fared little better. Vox responded with even bigger and louder amps. They nearly doubled both the wattage of the AC-50 head and designed a 4x12 cabinet with two Midax horns to make the AC-100 "80-100 Watt Amplifier".

The AC-100 was probably the largest production guitar amp in the world when it was introduced in 1964. The prior reigning king of guitar amps, the Fender Dual Showman, was dwarfed by AC-100.

The AC-100 was outwardly very simple. The single channel amp head had two inputs and three controls: Volume, Treble and Bass. The only other items that graced the deep red control panel were a power switch, a fuse holder, a voltage selector and dual 1/4" inputs. The amp head produced a clean 80 watts RMS.

The "thin edge" head cabinet was very compact, only seven inches tall and nineteen inches wide and made of 3/8" baltic birch plywood. Due to the tremendous amount of heat developed by four EL-34 power tubes, a large vent hole consumed most of the bottom of the head cabinet. A second, smaller air vent was on the top of the amp.

The amp head had "perfect" vinyl covered corners without plastic protective corner caps. A single Vox carrying handle was on the top of the cabinet.

The AC-100 speaker cabinet was essentially the "Small Box" AC-50 speaker cabinet seen in "A Hard Day's Night," but doubled. The cabinet was 40" tall, 27.25" wide, and 11" deep without the trolley stand. Four Celestion/Vox Alnico 12" speakers and two Goodmans Midax horns with 2 uf crossover capacitors filled the open backed cabinet.

The quality and attention to detail of JMI Vox cabinetry is stunning. The baffle (speaker) board was fastened to the cabinet with fourteen machine screws and nuts. Vox did not depend on wood screws to retain the front panels, as done by other amp manufacturers such as Fender and Gibson. Even the three back panels were secured with machine screws theaded into metal inserts mounted in the back strips of the cabinet.

A tubular chrome plated swivel trolley stand was also devised for the AC-100. The speaker cabinet and trolley towered four feet above the ground even before the amp head was placed on top of the stand. Adding the head made the amp stand over 55" inches above the floor.
 
What kind of venues do you play? I'm asking as I've always chosen very powerfull amps (SVT4 Pro, MEsa Titan, Mesa M9...) fearing I would not be able to hear myself onstage. But it really seems power is not so important after all. So you confirm?
I do gigs ranging from a small as a little Club on a Casino day cruise and as large as 10000 seat arenas and large outdoor festivals. And honestly, we have PA on almost all of them for the bass. And while we do a lot of 50s and 60s music, we also do a lot of 70s music, plus I Moonlight with other bands doing a broad range of stuff from old to new, and some of it actually has distorted guitars... LOL! But none of them require me to have a thousand watt amp or more. I don't want to go deaf and I don't want to have to blast my vocal monitor so loud I can't hear myself losing my voice. So I may use high-powered amps from time to time but they run at a fraction of what they're capable of.
 
Interestingly, the "guitar amp" John is playing at Shea stadium is actually Paul's old bass amp, which can be seen in various photos from 64 and 65 in this thread.

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Here is the amp and its story:

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© 1998 - 2018 The Vox Showroom, all rights reserved. No use on online auctions, eBay or Reverb.


In late 1963, Vox scurried the first fifty watt AC-50 amps to the John Lennon and George Harrison of the Beatles. The output of their former AC-30 amps proved to be no match for the screaming girls in their audiences. In less than a year and a string of #1 records later, the AC-50s fared little better. Vox responded with even bigger and louder amps. They nearly doubled both the wattage of the AC-50 head and designed a 4x12 cabinet with two Midax horns to make the AC-100 "80-100 Watt Amplifier".

The AC-100 was probably the largest production guitar amp in the world when it was introduced in 1964. The prior reigning king of guitar amps, the Fender Dual Showman, was dwarfed by AC-100.

The AC-100 was outwardly very simple. The single channel amp head had two inputs and three controls: Volume, Treble and Bass. The only other items that graced the deep red control panel were a power switch, a fuse holder, a voltage selector and dual 1/4" inputs. The amp head produced a clean 80 watts RMS.

The "thin edge" head cabinet was very compact, only seven inches tall and nineteen inches wide and made of 3/8" baltic birch plywood. Due to the tremendous amount of heat developed by four EL-34 power tubes, a large vent hole consumed most of the bottom of the head cabinet. A second, smaller air vent was on the top of the amp.

The amp head had "perfect" vinyl covered corners without plastic protective corner caps. A single Vox carrying handle was on the top of the cabinet.

The AC-100 speaker cabinet was essentially the "Small Box" AC-50 speaker cabinet seen in "A Hard Day's Night," but doubled. The cabinet was 40" tall, 27.25" wide, and 11" deep without the trolley stand. Four Celestion/Vox Alnico 12" speakers and two Goodmans Midax horns with 2 uf crossover capacitors filled the open backed cabinet.

The quality and attention to detail of JMI Vox cabinetry is stunning. The baffle (speaker) board was fastened to the cabinet with fourteen machine screws and nuts. Vox did not depend on wood screws to retain the front panels, as done by other amp manufacturers such as Fender and Gibson. Even the three back panels were secured with machine screws theaded into metal inserts mounted in the back strips of the cabinet.

A tubular chrome plated swivel trolley stand was also devised for the AC-100. The speaker cabinet and trolley towered four feet above the ground even before the amp head was placed on top of the stand. Adding the head made the amp stand over 55" inches above the floor.
I played for 2+1/2 years in a band where the guitarist had 2 Super Beatles w/ 6x12"s in each one. They were loud but amazingly clean.
 
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I do gigs ranging from a small as a little Club on a Casino day cruise and as large as 10000 seat arenas and large outdoor festivals. And honestly, we have PA on almost all of them for the bass. And while we do a lot of 50s and 60s music, we also do a lot of 70s music, plus I Moonlight with other bands doing a broad range of stuff from old to new, and some of it actually has distorted guitars... LOL! But none of them require me to have a thousand watt amp or more. I don't want to go deaf and I don't want to have to blast my vocal monitor so loud I can't hear myself losing my voice. So I may use high-powered amps from time to time but they run at a fraction of what they're capable of.

My gigs are equally as wide ranging, and my volumes these days are also in line with yours... For years I played in extremely loud 1 and 2 guitar hard rock and metal bands, but haven't done so in a couple years - and frankly, I don't miss playing that loud...
 
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I do gigs ranging from a small as a little Club on a Casino day cruise and as large as 10000 seat arenas and large outdoor festivals. And honestly, we have PA on almost all of them for the bass. And while we do a lot of 50s and 60s music, we also do a lot of 70s music, plus I Moonlight with other bands doing a broad range of stuff from old to new, and some of it actually has distorted guitars... LOL! But none of them require me to have a thousand watt amp or more. I don't want to go deaf and I don't want to have to blast my vocal monitor so loud I can't hear myself losing my voice. So I may use high-powered amps from time to time but they run at a fraction of what they're capable of.
+1...the largest outdoor gigs I've ever played (thousands of people) had either a small amp on stage or was handled totally by the pro-sound techs (mains and monitors) with me using a SansAmp or Tone Hammer to send a signal. With the right sound crew and a little tone shaping/voicing box or two, it's amazing how little you have to show up with to play a big show. And I own some big gear that I could always drag along if I wanted! :)
 
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I do gigs ranging from a small as a little Club on a Casino day cruise and as large as 10000 seat arenas and large outdoor festivals. And honestly, we have PA on almost all of them for the bass. And while we do a lot of 50s and 60s music, we also do a lot of 70s music, plus I Moonlight with other bands doing a broad range of stuff from old to new, and some of it actually has distorted guitars... LOL! But none of them require me to have a thousand watt amp or more. I don't want to go deaf and I don't want to have to blast my vocal monitor so loud I can't hear myself losing my voice. So I may use high-powered amps from time to time but they run at a fraction of what they're capable of.
So basically old folks shows.
 
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I do gigs ranging from a small as a little Club on a Casino day cruise and as large as 10000 seat arenas and large outdoor festivals. And honestly, we have PA on almost all of them for the bass. And while we do a lot of 50s and 60s music, we also do a lot of 70s music, plus I Moonlight with other bands doing a broad range of stuff from old to new, and some of it actually has distorted guitars... LOL! But none of them require me to have a thousand watt amp or more. I don't want to go deaf and I don't want to have to blast my vocal monitor so loud I can't hear myself losing my voice. So I may use high-powered amps from time to time but they run at a fraction of what they're capable of.

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