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Why didn't Gibson and Epi basses catch on?

It's no secret that Fender basses are everywhere. Seems that half of all pro bassists play fender fours. But what I barely ever see is the Gibson and Epiphone basses of the same era (EB's, rivolis, etc)

I personally love the sound of a gibson semi hollowbody and a mudbucker, but how come they never totally caught on? :hmm:
 
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never played an old gibson or fender bass. I am definitely a fender (similar brands too) guy. Epi and gibsons just don't feel comfortable to play at all. I dont really like the sound i get out of them either.
 
Thunderbirds are pretty damn popular. Otherwise?

Unlike Fender, Gibson never showed the same love to bassists that they did to guitarists. Too often they just took a guitar body and put a longer neck on it. "There's your damn bass!" Les Paul bass. Explorer bass. Flying V bass.
 
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I love.....love....my epi eb-3. The tone is awesome, the look is awesome, the neck....is crap.

My plan is to remake it with a custom neck, I have a feeling it will change the tone alot but the neck is uncomfortable as hell.
 
kenfxj said:
Thunderbirds are pretty damn popular. Otherwise?

Unlike Fender, Gibson never showed the same love to bassists that they did to guitarists. Too often they just took a guitar body and put a longer neck on it. "There's your damn bass!" Les Paul bass. Explorer bass. Flying V bass.

And that's why, fender promotes both guitar and bass. But with gibson they really focused on there guitars and just had basses. Yeah that's all..
 
+1, and for some reason, I am kind of glad that they didnt.

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If I had to guess, I'd say back in the late 50's and early 60's when rock and roll became "the" pop music bass amps were not all that stout, the bolt-on neck, harder woods and mid capable pick-up probably gave Fender the advantage. The price point and durability was probably a factor as well. The rest is history.
 
Thunderbirds are pretty damn popular. Otherwise?

Unlike Fender, Gibson never showed the same love to bassists that they did to guitarists. Too often they just took a guitar body and put a longer neck on it. "There's your damn bass!" Les Paul bass. Explorer bass. Flying V bass.

I think this is a little unfair.

--Body shape determines only ergonomics of play, not sound. If there are ergonomic guitar body shapes out there, why not simply adapt them to the needs of a bass?

--Did not Leo Fender himself do exactly this when he invented the electric bass in the first place? Is the P bass not originally just a modified Tele? Is the Jazz bass body not just a slightly modified Strat body?

--Gibson have actually produced a much wider array of bass types than Fender over the years. You mention 3 of them, all completely different. Add to that EB-1, SG, SB, Melody Maker, ES335, LP Sig, Victory, RD, Grabber/Ripper and probably others. No lack of bassist "love" there. Yet the vast majority of Fender basses ever made have been variations on just two different models.

I would guess there are two main reasons why Gibson trails Fender in the bass sales stakes.
1. Price. Entry level Gibson basses, like their guitars, are generally more expensive than entry level Fenders. And when one compares the kind of craftsmanship and materials required to produce, say, a Les Paul and a Strat, it is not hard to see why. Les Pauls may be mass produced, but they tend not to use e.g. simple flat, unbound slab bodies, bolt-on necks, grain-concealing heavy finishes, pickguard-mounted control assemblages etc.
2. Sound. The Mudbucker sound did almost rule the airwaves in the late '60s and early '70s because it fitted a certain kind of music. But tastes changed, and obviously the P and J are more sonically versatile. By the time Gibson tried to produce its own more versatile basses, the battle was probably already lost. But they never gave up trying.
 
Coming from that era and having had an EBO and an EB3 in the late sixties as my main basses I'd say the tone . Mudbucker is about right for the tone , mostly a booming indistict mess . I thought the small pickup on the EB3 would clear up the sound some but it just added some nasalness to the muddy sound . Jack Bruce got some cool sounds out of his by knocking all the low end off and playing through a few stacks of Marshalls and the dude from the band Free got good sounds from his but I couldn't get mine to sound good with any amp or in any band .I thought the necks on the Gibsons and Epiphones were great and the build quality too but they just didn't work for me .

A Jazz or P bass both had a much clearer sound through any of the not so great bass amps of the time . Gibson T birds were great sounding and playing basses too as were Hagstoms and the Guilds then . Gibson sold a lot of EB0s and EB3s because Jack Bruce used them but they didn't work for most players .
 
My only frame of reference is from the only Gibson bass I've ever owned; a Les Paul model. A very very heavy bass. I had no issues with the neck, it played fine. But the tone left lots to be desired, nothing special about it, or likeable, or adjustable. I suspect this is common to Gibson basses? If so, it might explain why they didn't catch on like the Fenders did.
 
Here are my top 5 reasons why:

1. Price. This is the obvious one.
2. Neck dive. This is an issue on many Gibson basses.
3. Playability. If there isn't neck dive, it's 15 pounds. Long baseball bats with deadweight aren't easy to play.
4. Sound. Gibsons just didn't cut through the mix like Fender did.
5. Gibson seemingly just gave up after a while.