(To the OP ) I'd say we came from different places in terms of preferences and listening habits. I liked that stuff back then and still do.
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Why do some progressive bands sound so dated?
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Universal Basic Income was proposed by Thomas More in Utopia in the 16th century, and periodically by others since. We're really just bickering over how to use the phrase "ahead of their time" now. If all that's to be meant by it is, someone having a new idea that didn't become popular until later, then sure. But I would hold that when people talk about an idea or a person being "ahead of their time," it's a act of appropriation, dissociating the idea or person from their actual context and claiming them for the prestige of the present. As such, I find it highly distorting because it blinds us to the significance of that context and of the thing or person itself.
I was out Saturday night hitting golf balls and And You And I of all things was playing. Had to stop and listen. Didn’t sound dated to me. A good song is a good song. How many bands are still playing Johnny B. Good?
I wanted to, but I figured the commute would be a killer.
It was a pre birthday outing with 7.2 ABV Hayburners.
I’m only looking out for your well being, because I know how you get after a few, you being the chick magnet that you are.
I wanted to, but I figured the commute would be a killer.
It was a pre birthday outing with 7.2 ABV Hayburners.
I’m only looking out for your well being, because I know how you get after a few, you being the chick magnet that you are.
Forgiven... this time.
Agreed. Tales was and is a wonderful album. Alan came into his own on it with some amazing percussion. After listening to it I thought, Bill who?
Before I started this thread I had no idea how many members here were fans.
"Rock and Roll Never Forgets" by Bob Seger. My favorite song on this subject.
Not on Spotify either. None of the classic KC is. But the current iteration is coming to the Greek in September.This and a couple other threads prompted me to revisit In The Court of the Crimson King, streaming from Apple Music. Guess what? It's not available. WTH?!
Other than RUSH, never really was into 'progressive'...
... now, after a year into a progressive rock project, we finally have a dedicated and enthusiastic lead guitarist, and I can't seem to get enough of it...
... I find it both challenging and fun to play.
Who would have thought? Not sure if Tull fits into the progressive genre, or not (I think they does), but the bass lines are awesome!
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According to this list on Prog Archives, Tull's "Thick As A Brick" is still #3 for all-time best prog albums:
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I was curious about Jethro Tull's albums. I've always like the song "Aqualung" so I checked Robert Christgau's reviews. He must not be a big progressive rock fan, but I have always liked his reviews and writings.
By the way, he was born in 1942 and gave the first Beastie Boys album a rare A+ grade.
Robert Christgau: CG: Artist 650
By the way, he was born in 1942 and gave the first Beastie Boys album a rare A+ grade.
Robert Christgau: CG: Artist 650
I think Rush is a rock band.... whose members were/are fans of some great prog bands....probably why they are the only prog-ish band you were ever into.
Jethro Tull is not a he, it's the name of the band, there was nobody named Jethro in the band.
I've been a huge prog rock fan for decades. Yes, Pink Floyd, ELP. The odd thing about especially Yes and ELP is that most of the keyboards you hear are either piano or Hammond B3. In fact, for me the ELP Hammon B3 is the best part of Brain Salad Surgery. The B3 also travels well through time - it's almost an ageless instrument, like the piano.
Which is why the cheezy synth-pop that crept into prog rock is so glaringly bad and does NOT travel through time nearly as well.
The gawd-aweful "orch hit" (orchestra hit) ... it was an actual PATCH in almost every synth sold in the 80's and early 90's, and my god it's worse that nails on a chalkboard for me. I played keys in the 80's and 90's, and still own all my synths from that era. I think I can peg the EMU Proteus 1 (and 1-XR) as possibly the single most dated set of synth sounds from that era ever! (Again, I own 2 of them so have some sense it).
I also worked in the synth industry in the early 90's, and getting proper wavetable synths with decent 'real' patches (based on sampled sounds) was the really big deal back then. And yes, every "pro" keyboard player in our area had to own one of those "key-tars". I never had the money, so am grateful for once for that bit of poverty. (the Tubes, anyone?)
There were a few "holy grails" in synth patches back then... getting a proper digital "B3" sound, and getting a proper grand piano. We (the company I worked for) came really close on the piano, but no-one ever really captured the B3 as well as having a proper B3.
So in my opinion, rock that used the B3 and some well-placed ANALOG synths still sounds awesome to me. The stuff that jumped on the plastic synth bandwagon... well ... can anyone say "Jump"? :-D
Which is why the cheezy synth-pop that crept into prog rock is so glaringly bad and does NOT travel through time nearly as well.
The gawd-aweful "orch hit" (orchestra hit) ... it was an actual PATCH in almost every synth sold in the 80's and early 90's, and my god it's worse that nails on a chalkboard for me. I played keys in the 80's and 90's, and still own all my synths from that era. I think I can peg the EMU Proteus 1 (and 1-XR) as possibly the single most dated set of synth sounds from that era ever! (Again, I own 2 of them so have some sense it).
I also worked in the synth industry in the early 90's, and getting proper wavetable synths with decent 'real' patches (based on sampled sounds) was the really big deal back then. And yes, every "pro" keyboard player in our area had to own one of those "key-tars". I never had the money, so am grateful for once for that bit of poverty. (the Tubes, anyone?)
There were a few "holy grails" in synth patches back then... getting a proper digital "B3" sound, and getting a proper grand piano. We (the company I worked for) came really close on the piano, but no-one ever really captured the B3 as well as having a proper B3.
So in my opinion, rock that used the B3 and some well-placed ANALOG synths still sounds awesome to me. The stuff that jumped on the plastic synth bandwagon... well ... can anyone say "Jump"? :-D
Tull has had various periods, and 72-75 was the proggy period, maybe 71-75 if you count Aqualung. I wouldn't count Too Old.. as prog, although you might detect some prog in the 'folk rock' period. I wouldn't count Stand Up or Benefit as prog, and This Was is Blues. Then it went electronic, back with some rock (literally in one album title) then not much else I've been interested after that.
