Why do we tube lovers love tubes?

[otis_thick]

Brutally fighting over differences is is what being human is all about.

I disagree...brutally fighting over differences is what...humans still having animalistic tendencies is all about...TBers tend to revert back down the human evolution line, often over the tiniest things....regardless of the logical conclusion "some of us like\love\worship tubes some like SS and some are content with emulation" The syndrome starts with the need to debate after the debate comes the stalemate then instead of agreeing with the stalemate then just plain jibberish and bickering occur.... I personally like the jibberish! Ok...on to round 9 ding ding!

 

[Mudfuzz]

I wonder if in Photography forums they moan about photoshop.
A nice parallel can be done with Tube vs Modeling

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[otis_thick]

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Please...more jibberish!

 

[Mudfuzz]

Please...more jibberish!

More you say? You know that is the very point? not a stalemate...

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To be on point...

I am not talking about fuzz pedals...

So all I have said in this thread is mindless jibberish with a few points added in for fun... you have to now
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I do like roller girls....

Nevermind...

What was your point again?

 

[otis_thick]

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More you say? You know that is the very point? not a stalemate...

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To be on point...

I am not talking about fuzz pedals...

So all I have said in this thread is mindless jibberish with a few points added in for fun... you have to now
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I do like roller girls....

Nevermind...

What was your point again?

Thank you "Tuby" Johnson...that was some fine authentic TB jibberish...I hope you kids leared someting today....

 

[Mudfuzz]

Thank you "Tuby" Johnson...that was some fine authentic TB jibberish...I hope you hids leared someting today....

Bah! TB jibberish indeed!
Look
We are musicians...
We are all a little mad...
That is how it really is...
It matters not weather tubes are better or not.
Or calling wax fruit real if you have not been seduced by a apple from the wrong tree. Or if you have...
All in the end is subjective interms of what sound you like or not. No amount of fakery or reallery will change your mind.

Because!

 

[otis_thick]

Bah! TB jibberish indeed!
Look
We are musicians...
We are all a little mad...
That is how it really is...
It matters not weather tubes are better or not.
Or calling wax fruit real if you have not been seduced by a apple from the wrong tree. Or if you have...
All in the end is subjective interms of what sound you like or not. No amount of fakery or reallery will change your mind.

Because!

Iwas agreeing with you...that taste is subjective...I was dissagreeing about the need to "brutally" fight is what being human is about as JimmyM posted below.."devo"

 

[JimmyM]

I disagree...brutally fighting over differences is what...humans still having animalistic tendencies is all about...TBers tend to revert back down the human evolution line, often over the tiniest things....regardless of the logical conclusion "some of us like\love\worship tubes some like SS and some are content with emulation" The syndrome starts with the need to debate after the debate comes the stalemate then instead of agreeing with the stalemate then just plain jibberish and bickering occur.... I personally like the jibberish! Ok...on to round 9 ding ding!

jerry casale says we're all devo:

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[otis_thick]

jerry casale says we're all devo:

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I think I grazed by a stray throw!

 

[Mudfuzz]

Iwas agreeing with you...that taste is subjective...I was dissagreeing about the need to "brutally" fight is what being human is about as JimmyM posted below.."devo"

I knew that but you got me on a roll... it had butter... there was jam... it was warn...

 

[JimmyM]

otis, how did you know i was posting a devo pic before i posted it? you must be a genius!

 

[Mudfuzz]

I think it is time you just start that devo cult already. I'll join.

 

[JimmyM]

I think it is time you just start that devo cult already. I'll join.

devo already started one:

www.clubdevo.com

 

[Calaverasgrande]

The idea not only exists, but some people are pursuing it.

That idea has been around as long as I have been in audio. It re-surfaces every couple of years, then turns out to not have been quite as good as advertised. The closest I have heard are Adcom's early stuff and the Bryston stuff. I am sure there are some more esoteric power amps out there that may batter those two. Never heard em.
Standard PA amps are great but they all do have a certain tone to them.

 

[Mudfuzz]

devo already started one:

www.clubdevo.com

True.... but.... I'd have to walk all the way over to another forum

 

[Calaverasgrande]

No, it didn't - because as I noted in my original post the "speed doubling every 18 months" is a laymans misreading of Moore's Law.

Moore's Law stated that transistor counts

Sections of the Pentium 4 architecture processors are running at 2x the advertised clock frequency.

Note - I spent 6 years as a design engineer at Intel working in microprocessor design. For example I designed the upper 32 bits of the AGU in the first iterations of the 64bit Pentium 4.


Power density has caused manufacturers to have to go wide instead of fast. They could have gone faster - but the issues with heat removal were prohibitive.

Well if you cant go faster because of issues with heat removal ( a problem the P4 was infamous for) you cant go faster.
Anyone who has owned a Honda is familiar with this problem.
Everyone I know in the IT industry laughs at moores law. Whether you want to consider it being in terms of switch count or cpu power, pcs/servers have simply plateaued. They are now bound so much by their disk subsystems and the memory buss that even if they could continue to increase, they cant utilize all that power.
a niggling detail either way.

 

[aborgman]

Well if you cant go faster because of issues with heat removal ( a problem the P4 was infamous for) you cant go faster.

You could go faster - it just wasn't worth the COST of going faster.

Everyone I know in the IT industry laughs at moores law.

...and almost everyone I know in the IT industry (including my own wife) is basically at a root level completely clueless about microarchitecture or high speed circuit design.

Tell me when EE's, CE's, and device physics folks start laughing.

They are now bound so much by their disk subsystems and the memory buss that even if they could continue to increase, they cant utilize all that power.

Depends so highly on the task that this statement is hilarious.

 

[cassius987]

I thought tubes conveyed LESS information (audio) than solid state. That's what Bass Player magazine implied in an article about tube amps--that you're not getting the full picture of your bass's sound profile. It's like how some people love sepia tone but not fully-fleshed digital images.

 

[Bob Lee (QSC)]

but some form of emulation comes up regularly in many tube amp threads, proposed as a superior alternative to tube amps. This thread has veered into discussion the state of current and future modeling technology, which if it isn't already will soon be preferable in every tangible way to tube amp technology.

Preferable, maybe or maybe not. Availability, OTOH, is a real concern.

 

[JimmyM]

I thought tubes conveyed LESS information (audio) than solid state. That's what Bass Player magazine implied in an article about tube amps--that you're not getting the full picture of your bass's sound profile. It's like how some people love sepia tone but not fully-fleshed digital images.

whaaaaaat!?! i have that magazine and nowhere in there did they imply that. and even if they did, it would be a load.